Painting in winter??
- Thread starter Jeeves
- Start date
I just finished installing this yesterday - DRASTICALLY reduces fumes, to the point where my wife doesn't even realize I'm spraying the heck outta resin in the basement.
Got it off eBay - Paasche makes it. Requires a vent to the outside, runs pretty quietly (not as loud as the airbrush compressor), runs off a 3-pronged outlet, too.
Got it off eBay - Paasche makes it. Requires a vent to the outside, runs pretty quietly (not as loud as the airbrush compressor), runs off a 3-pronged outlet, too.
badger
Well-Known Member
That is a nice booth you got there.
I usually paint in the garage, and consequently I've weather stripped the garage door that leads to the house with some thick stuff, and if I'm doing a LOT, I'll even put 2" wide masking tape around the edges once I come back in.
Regarding the tub idea, I wonder if you could take it a step further, and mount a couple computer case fans from American Science and Surplus (http://www.sciplus.com/) with a filter taped over the fans. At least for the initial painting.
Or even better, a couple fans, connected a bit of drier hose, that goes out a window...
Could be bodged together pretty easily it seems. I might have to think about it. 66 Qt plastic tubs are cheap, a couple fans, a filter from the hardware store.. yeah I can do this.
(I have paint drying in the garage, and there is a little bit of the fumes sneaking past the weather stripping, probably when I came back inside...)
badger
I usually paint in the garage, and consequently I've weather stripped the garage door that leads to the house with some thick stuff, and if I'm doing a LOT, I'll even put 2" wide masking tape around the edges once I come back in.
Regarding the tub idea, I wonder if you could take it a step further, and mount a couple computer case fans from American Science and Surplus (http://www.sciplus.com/) with a filter taped over the fans. At least for the initial painting.
Or even better, a couple fans, connected a bit of drier hose, that goes out a window...
Could be bodged together pretty easily it seems. I might have to think about it. 66 Qt plastic tubs are cheap, a couple fans, a filter from the hardware store.. yeah I can do this.
(I have paint drying in the garage, and there is a little bit of the fumes sneaking past the weather stripping, probably when I came back inside...)
badger
Dustin Crops Boy
Well-Known Member
Why are wives so damn sensative to fumes? i swear, i could be 2" away from something i'm painting/gluing/puttying, etc and not be bothered in the least by the smell...
But if I even MOVE an unopened paint can from one shelf to another - in the basement - wifie will smell it 2 floors up... :confused
I have a garage with a kerosene heater - but it's so freakin' cold (negative 12 today) - I don't even wanna run from the house to the garage to turn the heater on
But if I even MOVE an unopened paint can from one shelf to another - in the basement - wifie will smell it 2 floors up... :confused
I have a garage with a kerosene heater - but it's so freakin' cold (negative 12 today) - I don't even wanna run from the house to the garage to turn the heater on
androidandy
Sr Member
If you use a fan make sure it wont spark because the paint fumes are pretty flamable. Ones from computer power supplies should be safe. I would recomend doing more research to be sure though.
splogue
New Member
You can paint outside when it is cold. The paint just takes longer to dry (a lot longer in February.).
I used to do it indoors sometimes, but then I did some research on neurotoxins and I'll never do that again. Those fumes can really hurt you. Plus, when I moved last time, I found a robin's egg blue powder all over everything from my next gen Enterprise paint job. Gads.
Better than when it is too hot -- I can't tell you how upsetting it is when the paint partially dries *on the way* to the object. Gives a rough, matte finish that has to be sanded off and repainted to fix it.
For the guy with the paint booth: that looks like the M5 from Star Trek. I always wondered where that thing went. ;-)
I used to do it indoors sometimes, but then I did some research on neurotoxins and I'll never do that again. Those fumes can really hurt you. Plus, when I moved last time, I found a robin's egg blue powder all over everything from my next gen Enterprise paint job. Gads.
Better than when it is too hot -- I can't tell you how upsetting it is when the paint partially dries *on the way* to the object. Gives a rough, matte finish that has to be sanded off and repainted to fix it.
For the guy with the paint booth: that looks like the M5 from Star Trek. I always wondered where that thing went. ;-)
Gigatron
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Funky Jedi @ Feb 5 2007, 03:28 PM) [snapback]1412310[/snapback]</div>
Well, as someone who has two models on hold because of painting (and it's -11 here in NYC), I'll be more than happy to explain why you can't paint outside in the fezzing cold.
Two words: Orange Peel.
Almost all spray cans have warnings not use below (about) 65* F. It has a lot to do with the chemicals of the paint. At that temp, the paint starts to seperate. The kicker will seperate from the color meaning the paint will take forever to dry, if it dries at all.
Also, the adhesion goes right out the window. Once the piece you're painting gets cold, the paint will no longer adhere correctly and you'll end up with orange peel. If you're very lucky and you can get the piece inside to a warm area, the paint will settle and be ok. But it's hard to paint for 30 seconds and bring everything back inside. Especially since the paint will stink up the house.
High humidity and high heat have the same effect as extreme cold. High humidity is an excess of water vapor in the air which will inveitably settle on anything cooler, such as the piece your painting. It will also mix with the paint particles. For fun, spray paint into a cup and mix in some water then try to brush it on. High heat may cause the piece you're working on to bleed excess oils from the plastic, causing even more fun with paint that won't adhere, cure or dry.
Best way to paint is with a spray booth in a temeperature controlled environment.
-Fred
Well, as someone who has two models on hold because of painting (and it's -11 here in NYC), I'll be more than happy to explain why you can't paint outside in the fezzing cold.
Two words: Orange Peel.
Almost all spray cans have warnings not use below (about) 65* F. It has a lot to do with the chemicals of the paint. At that temp, the paint starts to seperate. The kicker will seperate from the color meaning the paint will take forever to dry, if it dries at all.
Also, the adhesion goes right out the window. Once the piece you're painting gets cold, the paint will no longer adhere correctly and you'll end up with orange peel. If you're very lucky and you can get the piece inside to a warm area, the paint will settle and be ok. But it's hard to paint for 30 seconds and bring everything back inside. Especially since the paint will stink up the house.
High humidity and high heat have the same effect as extreme cold. High humidity is an excess of water vapor in the air which will inveitably settle on anything cooler, such as the piece your painting. It will also mix with the paint particles. For fun, spray paint into a cup and mix in some water then try to brush it on. High heat may cause the piece you're working on to bleed excess oils from the plastic, causing even more fun with paint that won't adhere, cure or dry.
Best way to paint is with a spray booth in a temeperature controlled environment.
-Fred
Jason,
I purchased a similar booth, albeit smaller, off eBay. I'm just curious how you're venting it outside. What is the vent hooked up to?
Sean
I purchased a similar booth, albeit smaller, off eBay. I'm just curious how you're venting it outside. What is the vent hooked up to?
Sean
One of these (but in plastic)
http://www.oldworlddistributors.com/pix_lo...dryer_vent.html
$6 at Home Depot. I was replacing laundry dryer vent hose too, so it was a weekend of basement vent work.
The fan is strong enough to push those louvers open, and I leave it running for a little bit as the part is drying as it's still trying to stink up the joint. If I spray something, leave it in that box, and keep the fan on, yuou can't smell a thing from two feet away. It's a beautiful thing.
I'm not getting any cold air coming back down the hose either - which is a good thing, with the weather Maryland is experiencing this week.
http://www.oldworlddistributors.com/pix_lo...dryer_vent.html
$6 at Home Depot. I was replacing laundry dryer vent hose too, so it was a weekend of basement vent work.
The fan is strong enough to push those louvers open, and I leave it running for a little bit as the part is drying as it's still trying to stink up the joint. If I spray something, leave it in that box, and keep the fan on, yuou can't smell a thing from two feet away. It's a beautiful thing.
I'm not getting any cold air coming back down the hose either - which is a good thing, with the weather Maryland is experiencing this week.
Gigatron
Sr Member
I've been considering a spray booth for a while, but they're so dang expensive. I think I'm just going to build one. They're fairly straight forward and can be built for under $40.
I figure I can pick up some 18ga steel at Home Depot / Lowes, a couple of 80mm fans from junk computers at work and a small flourescent light from either a hardware or pet supply store.
The only 2 things that concern me are power for the fans and filters. I can run the fans off of batteries, but I'd rather get them going on a power supply
-Fred
I figure I can pick up some 18ga steel at Home Depot / Lowes, a couple of 80mm fans from junk computers at work and a small flourescent light from either a hardware or pet supply store.
The only 2 things that concern me are power for the fans and filters. I can run the fans off of batteries, but I'd rather get them going on a power supply
-Fred
Jumpin Jax
Sr Member
During the prep for C3, I had to paint my crimson empire armor red with Rustoleum. It was a late spring and was still pretty cold. I hit a few things then brough them intside, but they were not drying and were tacky. A couple people gave me some advice: I had a tiny bathroom with a heat register, so I would spray some pieces very quickly outside, then rush them into the bathroom and crank the heat. Within a day they were hard as rock, no problem.
splogue
New Member
For a power supply, you can use a wall wart with 12V DC output salvaged from something else or bought pretty cheaply by doing a search on the net.
Keep an eye on the total amperage. The computer fans will use hardly any power so it won't really matter, but if you're hooking lights to it you'll need one that is higher amperage, and probably more than one.
Sean
Keep an eye on the total amperage. The computer fans will use hardly any power so it won't really matter, but if you're hooking lights to it you'll need one that is higher amperage, and probably more than one.
Sean
Gigatron
Sr Member
I came across something even better than computer fans, an in-line duct fan. Home Depot carries a 6", 250 CFM fan for $34. Not exactly free, but more powerful than a computer fan and still cheaper than a premade booth. They're designed to run off 110/120V power, so I can wire it to a standard 3 prong plug and run it off house current
-Fred
-Fred
I live in Florida so in the winter when it gets too cold to paint I just wait a day or so and it heats back up. We don't really get "real" seasons. Now I do have a massive problem with rain though.
badger
Well-Known Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gigatron @ Feb 6 2007, 06:43 AM) [snapback]1413102[/snapback]</div>
And, it would be easy to hook up some extra 4" PVC pipe to route outflow of air outside.
Nice find.
I did a search, found what you were probably looking at, Home Depot page on this:
http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US...sp?pn=100396559
I wonder if this one would work?
http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US...sp?pn=100073963
badger
I came across something even better than computer fans, an in-line duct fan. Home Depot carries a 6", 250 CFM fan for $34. Not exactly free, but more powerful than a computer fan and still cheaper than a premade booth. They're designed to run off 110/120V power, so I can wire it to a standard 3 prong plug and run it off house current
[/b]
And, it would be easy to hook up some extra 4" PVC pipe to route outflow of air outside.
Nice find.
I did a search, found what you were probably looking at, Home Depot page on this:
http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US...sp?pn=100396559
I wonder if this one would work?
http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US...sp?pn=100073963
badger
androidandy
Sr Member
Be carefull with these duct fans because they can spark when turning on and off. if you do that while fumes are going through it could be dangerous. I am no expert on this but I tried to build my own a long time ago using plans from a modeling magazine and this was one of the things discussed. I have also seen paint fumes "Flame up" in a professional booth when being turned on after spraying. Also make sure you have a filter between the fan motor and the booth. if over time the moter gets covered with paint it can become even more dangerous. I know this probably sounds stupid, but even the best forget a thing here and there. Of course I think I have seen some some cheap rockets being done this way on the discovery channel.
Darth Lars
Master Member
I noticed that there is one good reason to paint inside during winter. If it is freezing enough outside, air humidity drops to 30% or below. Over here in Northern Europe, a humidity of around 60% is otherwise normal for the rest of the year.
