Creating a bio from a oil based clay start.

[Boarsheadbio]

Alright preds. I am very new to this site. I have been sitting around thinking of how to make my own bios. I already own the boar from biohunter. Great piece of art. I would love to make something like that. I am already pretty good with clay...I just have NO IDEA where to go from there to create the fiberglass resin finished product that I have hanging above my bed. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. If anyone can message me a step by step by step how to on making a bio including materials and step by step process Ill try like hell to pay you back somehow. Pictures could help to. Pretend like your responding to the midget retard predator that the others never leave the ship.

~John

 

[DangerDavey]

John.

Hit the Huntorials section and the Arsenal section of the Lair. You'll find pictures AND step-by-step processes for sculpting your own Bio.
Probably more information than you can use in a light-year!!!!

~DD

 

[Boarsheadbio]

John.

Hit the Huntorials section and the Arsenal section of the Lair. You'll find pictures AND step-by-step processes for sculpting your own Bio.
Probably more information than you can use in a light-year!!!!

~DD

Hey I spent awhile looking at both places to no avial. Maybe im looking to hard and not finding exactly what Im looking for or not hard enough and overlooking dead fast information. I bought a boar bio off Sandy who got it from Casey (biohunter) a lil bit ago, I want to make bios like that. Just need to know how.

 

[BigGunns1]

If you arent familiar with sculpting or molding you may want to start with something smaller. You dont want to waste 2 gallons of silicone your first time.

Also molding a bio helmet is similar to molding any one piece mold. So you can look on the net for how to mold with silicone.

 

[MEANGENE83]

heyoh!

Welcome to the lair.

Im glad to hear you like my boar helmet. I worked on that sculpt for a long 3 months.

The first step is to get something to put clay onto. We call this a sculpting armature. Dont ask what that word means. BUT its basically what you use to put clay on as a basis. I used a P2 helmet as a base for my boar helmet. Alot like this P1 helmet below.

You can see just a little bit of clay on there, this was actually the beginning stages of my Brother Boar helmet sculpt.

Anyway to eventually work you way up to this...

Basically you wanna use either OIL CLAY or WED CLAY. Oil clay is oil based and does not dry out. It has its sculpting advatages but i like using WED CLAY now, i prefer it over oil.
For a beginner like yourself start off with OIL clay the process will go alot slower, but that is a good thing. Becuase to produce a nice sculpture you absolutely cannot rush it.

Above these are pics of my BROTHER BOAR helmet sculpt, sculpted out of WED CLAY over a P1 bio helmet as a base, you can also see how i attached an iron pipe to a wooden base to support the bio.

This is a pic of the rough shape out of the helmet.
Make sure you do the sculpt in stages. get the clay on there, then shape it out and gradually make the helmet more symetrical and refine it more and more. I find that if i take pictures of my work and analyze them i can see them with an objective eye and notice inconsistency alot better. After staring at a sculpt for a few hours it becomes hard to see any flaws, the pictures help.

Any other questions?

 

[MEANGENE83]

I already own the boar from biohunter. Great piece of art. I would love to make something like that.

BTW thanks for calling my boar helmet creation a work of art! Means alot!!!

If you like my boar helmet i actually made a new helmet. I call it the brother boar, it was also featured at the end of P2, he was the one next to the elder wearing the helmet on the left.

I have a copy of one for ya if your interested.

 

[Boarsheadbio]

BTW thanks for calling my boar helmet creation a work of art! Means alot!!!

If you like my boar helmet i actually made a new helmet. I call it the brother boar, it was also featured at the end of P2, he was the one next to the elder wearing the helmet on the left.

I have a copy of one for ya if your interested.

Hey casey thank you so much for the advice. Honestly, I was more than likely over-thinking the whole process and also felt it kind of stealing if I sculpt over a P1 to create the first armature. Im really diggin the brother boar. Honestly, I was thinking of taking your boar i have and using that as a template to sculpt onto and designing my own boar/elder hybrid but havent because I wouldnt want to tarnish over your work with my novice sculpting ability.
I was wondering though, what are the steps to take after I create my oil base clay (ill take your advice) sculpt?
I am really going to take my time on this and will more than likely send pictures to you on my progress. Hey, maybe if its good enough Dan will let me post it on predstuff.com. hahaha ya right. O ya, and after the sculpt, which "material" picks up details the most? Thanks alot again for the help and like I said ill keep you posted.
Later man.
Oh, and feel free to keep posting to me about this bio making and stuff.

 

[biohunter76]

Hey Bud, I'm Casey. The Sculptor of that bio was Gene aka MEANGENE83. I produced them a while back when Gene was too busy with his day job to make them. I hope this clears things up a bit. Carry on!

 

[Boarsheadbio]

Aw hell. Im sorry man. You know what I knew that wasnt you at first then I went through all the pictures and forgot that it wasnt you. Ya i realized that when I saw his handle wasnt biohunter because I know you by that origonally. So i can trust his advice for sure? I know from talking to you...and my girlfriend e-mailing you sometimes that I can. Do you have any other helpful insight to my bio making saga?

 

[biohunter76]

Gene knows his stuff when it comes to sculpting and molding, it's his casting skills that I question! lol. J/K Gene.

 

[Boarsheadbio]

haha i understand. So how might I go about taking my clay mold and going from there?

 

[BigGunns1]

Do you have any pics of this bio you sculpted?

 

[Boarsheadbio]

Actually Im still on the drawing board literally with that one. I dont even own a P1 to start with. My design starts with the "boar genre" though. I figure there is boar, brother boar, ive heard of a junior...no sister? Rumor I read on one website is that predator females may actually be dominant or bigger than the males, sort of like insects, so I definatly want to make this thing sinister, like a woman...haha...I am confident in my sculpting ability yet i dont want to start from scratch, so a P1 would help as a base. I just have no clue where to go once I have my sculpt complete. As Ive said...step by step process after the completed sculpt would help alot.

 

[MEANGENE83]

THATS ALL I CAN STANDS AND I CANT STANDS NO MORE!!!

Question my casting?! Ok i see how it is... Now your ass is grass.

I have gotten better since my first run of bio castings back when i did the boars!!!

I aint got it to a perfect "casey science" but they are far less heavy and alot sleaker!
You know i love ya!


HEY BOARDSHEAD Take it one step at a time amigo. First do up your sculpt and then we will tell you how to mold it and such.

Dont worry about sculpting over someone else piece of work. If you change the helmet your sculpting more than 75% of what it used to look like. I would say you just created a NEW helmet and your not ripping anyone off.

 

[Boarsheadbio]

Hahaha. Alright looks like Im going to start my sculpting as soon as I get at least 10lbs of oil based clay. Although I was looking at bake dry clay a lil bit tonight. I have alot of time on my hands....house arrest for the next 85 days n all. I wish I could sketch up a complete makeup of what I have so far but its all bits n pieces that ill throw together and modify as i go. How flimsy is oil based clay? Ive worked with standard water clay and regular kiln clay back in the day for ceramics. I guess this is one of those process of elimination projects and go with my gut...so when I can get someone to grab oil based clay ill have a run at it, take a few pics and send em your way.
I dont want to start a "who molds better war" between u and casey though hahaha. I will say i am looking for light weight and durability...I have plans for this mask.
I think my girlfriend told casey awhile ago that I took the boar on an up north michigan trip hunting and it got smack around a bit in the woods....no cracks, dings, or scrapes..durable as all hell. Even scared the crap out of a motorist when i jumped outa the woods onto a dirt trail infront of them....great times. I was wearing a guilly suit that matched the paint job so it looked badass.
Anyways, turnin in for the night so hopefully ill see a response when I get up in the morn.
Have a good one.

 

[biohunter76]

Haha, in all fairness, I haven't seen any of your recent castings but that first Boar bio you sent me must have been like 15 LBS! Holy ****!!!

 

[BigGunns1]

Im just curious- why oil based clay? I am switching over to Chavant NSP- thats what everyone uses now. Then I don't have to worry about sealing it or the clay having a negative reaction with the silicone.

 

[MEANGENE83]

Isnt chavant an type of oil based clay?

Why oil clay for him? Well he can take his time sculpting and it won't dry out on him like water based clay would.

 

[Master Hobbs]

hey gene, how ya attach the bio to the stand?

 

[BigGunns1]

Let me rephrase that. Chavant NSP has no sulfur like other clays. The problem with sulfur in the clay is that silicone does not like it and wont setup against it.

And no it wont dry out. Its not waterbased.