(food safe molding and casting?)

I saw those..

but could never get any info of the 'size' of tubing that has to be used? (or the type?)

I am using pneumatic tubing for push fittings..


I also read review after review.. saying they are junk/garbage? and crack/crumble when you attempt to tighten them on the 2-liters?

Was that your experience?
 
Well.. I finally managed to get my 3D printed 'sources' made (thanks to member PakRatJR) :)

He made me a FDM version.. and an awesome RESIN printed one as well!!!!

The FMD sources are hard to work with.. as they are not 'air-tight' pieces.. (not the threaded area.. the whole body itself)..

So I focused on the RESIN one! (WOO HOO)

got it drilled and tapped... one push fitting was screwed in (other is still in mail/shipping)..

Things were going great!..

Then I tried to screw it on the 2-liter thread/neck.. thread were good..

but I apparently tighted it down WAY to much....and it cracked! :( BOOO! (I was crying inside!) HAHAHA

Just wanted to post some picks....

* I was very close to -finally- being able to just focus on the molding and casting,,....(and looking for a food safe medium to buy/use).. AND THEN I SCREWED IT ALL UP! lol


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* I havent been able to find anything.. nor heard back from Smooth-On yet.. to see if they have a food-safe/grade medium for CASTS..

I see they have stuff listed for MOLDS... but I dont want make 'chocolates'..LOL..

I want a SUPER HARD (not brittle), food-safe medium to make CASTS from (not molds) LOL

Is that Art Resin pretty strong/durable? String than 3D printed RESIN? (I dont want my next attempts to 'crack/split' when attempting to tighten them down on the 2-liter threads)

hmm.. I see Art Resin is only food safe is used by itself.. (no coloring?) (I guess thats fine.)

update: I guess ResignTint is ok.. as its vegetable oil based? where as the alcohol ones can NOT be used.

Anyone here us Art Resign before?

Any shrinking? How hard is it? Is it brittle? (witll is crack if you drop it?)
 
Update:

I finally heard back from 'Smooth-On'.. and it sounds like its a 'no-go' from them...

they dont have any medium that is food safe and can be used with 'wet' foods.. (ie: the un-intentional touching that -may- occur) :S

They only have 1 food safe casting material (not molding material)..

and that is:


Which is ONLY ok for 'dry foods' to touch? (whatever)
 
So I guess... casting in 'whatever' durable material is the method to be used here?

Followed with a 'coating' (cover) of 'Art Resin'? Especially in the areas that -may- come in contact with the liquid?

* That Art Resin stuff from Hobby Lobby seems to be VERY expensive? (or is that normal pricing for casting medium?)

I guess I need to find a medium/material that is STRONG (not brittle).. and can hold a decent 'thread' (drill/tap) without, stripping or cracking.



*** geez, so much work just to get back to my MAIN project! (sigh)
 
Hi Thanks...

But its -not- the MOLD that needs to be 'food safe'.. it needs to be the material that is used to CAST the object.

Smooth-On Says they carry anything like that (for wet, only DRY food grade safe)
 
Some years ago I made some research, I was asked to make molds for chocolate pouring (which I didn´t make at the end). For some reason I don´t remember they wanted rigid molds. What I found is that some manufacturers of resins said their products were not toxic once properly post cured. But they had no certificates to ensure that, so I had to let it go. It´s too much risk.
Maybe these certificates are reserved to injection plastics etc. Perhaps the resins we can use are not stable enough.
 
* sorry.. again.. :)

I want to be clear.

I DONT CARE ABOUT THE MOLDS THEMSELVES!.. I am not making 'chocolates'.. :)

the final CAST is what needs to be 'food-safe/grade'. NOT THE MOLDS!

I am going to look into perhaps machining one from delrin (not holding my breath)..

as well as attempting to 'cast' my current example in somethign very HARD (not brittle) so I can drill and tap it.. and then perhaps just cover it in this 'art-resin' stuff... (which DOES have certificates that is it 100% food safe.)

1.) Its expensive.. so I dont think I will 'cast' using this Art Resign stuff.. but instead cover/coat my final item(s) to keep them 'food-safe'.

Again.. it wont come in contact with the 'liquid' (soda, juice..etc).. BY DESIGN.. this is just an added layer of 'being safe' in case things splash around a bit..etc..


edit: added missing emoji to show not yelling/angry..
 
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I DONT CARE ABOUT THE MOLDS THEMSELVES!.. I am not making 'chocolates'..

All right, I think we all got it here. Just bear in mind that rigid materials used for castings, such as resins, are also used for molding!. The same as materials that are used for molding, such as rubbers, are also used for casting. I understand your question perfectly from the start and I know you are not into chocolates.
So, again, most surely there are materials that are food-safe, and most probably nothing will happen, BUT, if there´s no certificate, it´s you who will not be safe using it. The fact that there is no certificate doesn´t necessarily mean they are not food safe, just that the manufacturer hasn´t sent it to a lab to get a certificate. Probably because (and these things can be expensive) he sees no business in it, and probably because most of the food safe stuff is mass produced with the proper injection plastic etc. that does have the certification because it´s worth it.
Or maybe, as I said above, the "user-friendly" materials we use are not stable enough, can be porous or not depending on how they were handled as there´s no control upon us when we are working with them in opposition to what happens in industry.
Who knows, there might be something around...or not.
I know this doesn´t help, just trying to point out the reasons why you are having trouble finding this.
Would a hard rubber work?, and I know, you are not looking for molds, but as said rubbers are also used as casting material.
Smoothsil 960 (smooth on) is very close to a plastic (that would be 70 onwards Dshore hardness). And it´s food safe (or at least they say so). I´ve used it recently and it´s pretty hard, in the limit between a rubber and a plastic. Don´t know if it will stand the pressure without distorting, maybe redesigning could make this kind of material work.
 
Side question:

* forget food safe.. this is noob molding/casting question(s) :) (for now at least)...

I have some basic 101 molding/casting questions I'm sure many of you can answer/have been down this road before. ;)


I have an Alumilite Super Casting kit:

* I cant seem to find if it is 'OK' to use this make a mold from a 'resin' 3D printed object..

* this kit comes with 'clay' (which I am assuming it for making a 'container' for the mold?) (not sure, as I havent opened it yet.. and have never made a mold/casted -anything- before in my life) :)

* looks like the material used to mold with is 'somewhat' flexible'... will this be ok to mold something with threads? (think threads inside 2-liter cap)

If I made a container out of 'legos' or some other material.... could I use this 'clay' to make modifications (fill in parts) of my resin printed object before molding it?)

My current object to be molded has a 'lip' (not sure how else to explain it) on the 'inside'.. so I think trying to remove the piece after casting would not work)... so I am wondering if I can just fill this in with that modeling clay... and call it a day? :) It also have threads... but these have to stay! :)



update: I just watched some videos on using this.. is this 'Alumilite Super Casting' kit NOT a very hard casting medium?? I saw a video of someone removing a part from the mold.. and it looked... 'flexible'?
 
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Thanks..

for now. I am not thinking about food safe for the moment.

.... and just have the basic '101' questions above..



I'm getting anxious to try the kit out... but nervous as it being my first time. (plus i need t slow down and do more reading/searching I'm sure to feel more comfortable) :) HAHA
 
Is it recommended to 'prime' the RESIN printed object BEFORE molding it?

Do I need any other products NOT included with this kit? (seems to come with rubber to rubber mold release?)

I have watched videos.. where some use the clay to make a 2-part mold? some use the mold making rubber..... some use 'both'?

While the part in this video does NOT have threads.. this was the approach I was going to use:


With the part showed in the above posts...

Any immediate NO's!!!!!! coming to mind those with experience? :)

HAHA


thanks!
 
EPIC FAIL roughly 7 minutes ago! LOL

I made the first part of my mold yesterday... today. spent time cleaning out the clay from the initial base/bottom... cleaned it! mixed my new batch of silicone!... poured it!!!! and immediately realized I forgot to use the rubber to rubber release stuff!! uuuuugggghhh!

I guess we'll see if I can salvage it being it a one-piece mold? (slice it from the top.. and see if I can pull it out?)
 
.....and it was a failure! (re: trying to still use it as a 1 piece mold)

I tried to see if I could split the mold and squeeze (un-screw) out my part.... after I made some slices.. I had to make more to even get my hand on top of it..lol.. by then the sliced pieces came apart from the main body of the mold! (I probably should have made the mold 'bigger'.. but I didnt have much mold material/silicone) :(
 
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