Metallica new project with Lou Reed

[JD]

^ I'll be the first to put a gun to my head should that ever happen.
John Foggerty has had to work hard enough to recoup losses from the record industry in his life, the last thing I'd wish on him is a collaboration with Metallica (who in my opinion have not been relevant or any good creatively in at least twenty years).

I think the issue over is that they've been too creative for their own good and the creativity bred experimentation which alienated lots of fans.

...and not relevant? Selling millions of records, huge grossing tours and indcution into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is not relevant?

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

I think the issue over is that they've been too creative for their own good and the creativity bred experimentation which alienated lots of fans.

...and not relevant? Selling millions of records, huge grossing tours and indcution into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is not relevant?

Well, I will take what was asked of the audience here in Cleveland on the Death Magnetic tour..."How many of you are coming back to Metallica on this album?!" which was met with a resounding roar...mine among them. So, even the band knows the last few "experiments" alienated some fans.

 

[NoTsOsErIoUs]

Induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is not relevant?

If you have to ask you'll never know.


to me they've been musically lazy for a long time. If it get's to the point where your coming up with new ways to repackage yourself (I know lets add an orchestra to our back catalougue!) then do us all a favour and quit.
The biggest gripe I have is that Hetfield has become a parody of himself vocally (Ooooh YehHeaaa).
I knew it was going downhill around the time of the Black album. Then when I saw interviews before the load that was Load I thought thats it they've lost it.
Then I stopped listening to anything new they did.
Seeing that Some Kind of Monster film was oneof the biggest laughs I've had in my life (second only to Spinal Tap). I mean band counselling!? (or marrige counselling from some of what I saw between band members) Hahahahahahahah! Please!

 

[oujala]

^^^While the couselor bit was kinda funny, I don't see it as different than the people coming to your place of business to discuss roughly the same types of things to motivate everyone. Metallica is a business, sometimes a business needs a kick.

 

[JD]

If you have to ask you'll never know.

I know. I know record/tour sales and recoginition by your peers (see Rock Hall, Big 4, etc) means your quite relevant. Currently, the band was on the cover of at least three magazines when I was at Barnes an hour or so ago. The headlines they grabbed last week while headlining Yankees Stadium (41,000) and Rock In Rio (90,000)... well, the speak for themselves.

So yeah... I'm very confindent this band is still relevant.

The rest is opinion and speculative and perhaps even misguided conjecture.

Now, Lou Reed and Metallica...

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Still influential. Helping younger bands get out there. Honestly, I would not have heard Lamb of God if not for Metallica. It's hard to call them "Irrelevant" because that then becomes opinion. Belieeeeeve me, I have hated on them HARD over the last few albums. DM was a huge "Hi, we're still Metallica" to me.

 

[voice in the crowd]

I must be the only person who likes this then

Metallica are still very relevant and Death Magnetic is one of the best Metal albums of the last decade.

The bigger a band is the easier it is to knock them.

You would think that metal, punk and alternative music fans would be the most open to diverse music as they steer away from the mainstream unfortunately in my experience (being a fan of all these genres since the early 80s) this is not the case they are fickle and close minded.

I saw Metallica on the Master of Puppets tour and Justice tours and in my opinion they were 10 times better on the Death Magnetic tour - I am sure there are many who still want to live in the past who will tell me I am wrong.

Cheers Chris

 

[NoTsOsErIoUs]

So yeah... I'm very confindent this band is still relevant.

The rest is opinion and speculative and perhaps even misguided conjecture.

Now, Lou Reed and Metallica...

Yes it is opinion (as stated before when I started sentances with "in my opinion", and the lesser known "to me")

But as an opinion it is no less valid than yours, I think you'll agree.

 

[NoTsOsErIoUs]

The bigger a band is the easier it is to knock them.

You would think that metal, punk and alternative music fans would be the most open to diverse music as they steer away from the mainstream unfortunately in my experience (being a fan of all these genres since the early 80s) this is not the case they are fickle and close minded.

I don't think that's quite fair. To me it seems that those who's tastes lie outside the maintream are more attuned to recognise when a new or even established band starts to masquerade as being outside the mainstream.
But fickle and close minded is a blanket absolute and we all know who deals in those.

 

[JD]

I must be the only person who likes this then

Metallica are still very relevant and Death Magnetic is one of the best Metal albums of the last decade.

The bigger a band is the easier it is to knock them.

You would think that metal, punk and alternative music fans would be the most open to diverse music as they steer away from the mainstream unfortunately in my experience (being a fan of all these genres since the early 80s) this is not the case they are fickle and close minded.

I saw Metallica on the Master of Puppets tour and Justice tours and in my opinion they were 10 times better on the Death Magnetic tour - I am sure there are many who still want to live in the past who will tell me I am wrong.

Cheers Chris

Agreed wholeheartedly... the bigger the band, the easier it is to knock them. In my experience there are a lot of people who dislike Metallica (and other bands) because they became 'popular,' because they weren't their personal band anymore... and much of that is subconscious. Metal fans tend be very closed minded (especially within their genre)... and as a metal fan I recognize that and have been guilty of that.

(I just deleted a whole paragraph about Death Magnetic in an effort to move back the subject matter).

...and I think a huge part of the Lou Reed project is being creative, taking a chance - just doing something different, some spontaneous and outside the their normal realm (ala St. Anger). Doesn't mean it will work for everyone... I know the first single isn't doing a whole lot for me.

 

[JD]

I'm finding the reaction to the Lou Reed/Metallica project fasciniating. The Metallica fans have been all but universal in their dislike for the project and the first single, The View.

On the other hand, Lou Reed fans seem to like the song...

"I quite liked it....until that nasty Metallica man started to sing !"
"James Hetfields and Lou Reeds voices seems here to go well together. They both seems to have something important to say..."
"Metallica backing Lou sounds good but only interested in Lous vocals not the shouting man."
"But to me it 's very promising. This is so dark, even "Berlin" gets a little shade of grey."
And yeah, it goes without saying that I'm not super-big on Hetfield's parts right yet and I have a moderate affinity for Metallica. Also, ---- these prepubescent Metallica fanboys who can't at least give one of the greatest rocknroll musicians of all time, without whom Metallica wouldn't even exist (Lou begot The Stooges who begot The Pistols and The Ramones who begot the entire genre of thrash metal), a bit of respect.
"...they don't understand anything of what Lou want to say with his new masterpiece LULU called."
(re: Metallica fan backlash) "I wouldn't call those utterances "criticism", it's just childish internet whining, like "I want old facebook back" - "I just want to hear old Metallica stuff!" and so on.
I can see why Lou's proud of it--it's pretty sophisticated stuff. (Which is also why the 11-year-olds hate it.)"
"It's getting better man! I even start to like the shouting man (but only the shouting part at the end)!"
"Anyone who thinks this is ---- (read: 11 years old Metallica-fans) will loose their ----"
"I take it all back, its ---king amazing. Id never thought id hear Lou on a album like that again !."

Rolling Stone magazine has painted an optimistic picture for the album. Artist Direct gave The View 4.5/5 saying:

The rest of the song mounts into the final apocalyptic explosion from Hetfield. It's pure brutal bliss. Now, Lulu isn't Master of Puppets or The Velvet Underground & Nico; it's a dark beast of its own. This record isn't about pleasing one or both audiences. It's about crafting something dangerous, dramatic, and deep. That's what these gentlemen are best at. They've created the ultimate 21st century rock opera—soaked in blood—and it's simply because they wanted to.

All that said... it still ain't my thing. I will check out the entire album and hope it grows on me.