Avengers: Endgame (Post-release)

What did you think of Avengers: Endgame?

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Question:

If you go back...

make a change.... (hence creating a NEW alternate universe.. and it cant affect your original 'universe')...

** Can you jump ahead (travel) in that SAME alt. universe you made the change in?


Scenario:

I'm From Universe "A"

I go back in time.... make some change... BOOM! I'm now in alt. universe "B"...

can I jump ahead in time IN alt universe B.. to see the results of my change? (even though it wont change anything in universe "A" of course)

Does time travel itself create a new/alt universe? or only if you touch/change something? (but wouldnt just BEING there be a 'change'? I think so.. someone sees you... you have changed it. because in your OG universe.. that person may NOT have saw you....etc)


What actual 'action' creates an alt universe? touching/changing/interacting? or just doing the time travel itself??

Did they really 'FIX' their original universe? or create a new one that had everyone come back and..etc..etc.... (so that universe still exists where all these people died?)
 
xl97 said:
Question:

If you go back...

make a change.... (hence creating a NEW alternate universe.. and it cant affect your original 'universe')...

** Can you jump ahead (travel) in that SAME alt. universe you made the change in?


Scenario:

I'm From Universe "A"

I go back in time.... make some change... BOOM! I'm now in alt. universe "B"...

can I jump ahead in time IN alt universe B.. to see the results of my change? (even though it wont change anything in universe "A" of course)
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Yes, as long as the time you return to universe "B" isn't before the time of your initial visit otherwise you would violate causality.

In fact that's exactly what Steve does at the end. In order for Steve to have returned the stones he would have had to return to the exact same timelines from which each was taken.

xl97 said:
Does time travel itself create a new/alt universe? or only if you touch/change something? (but wouldnt just BEING there be a 'change'? I think so.. someone sees you... you have changed it. because in your OG universe.. that person may NOT have saw you....etc)

What actual 'action' creates an alt universe? touching/changing/interacting? or just doing the time travel itself??
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It sounds like you're looking for a loophole to visit the past without creating a branch point.

It makes sense that just the act of time travel to the past creates the branch point. Keep in mind that we affect our surroundings in a multitude of imperceptible ways. (see Butterfly Effect - not the lousy movie but the principle).

xl97 said:
Did they really 'FIX' their original universe? or create a new one that had everyone come back and..etc..etc.... (so that universe still exists where all these people died?)
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That would only be true if your initial proposition (if it was not possible to return to the same exact universe A or B) was true. (i.e. if every single instance of time travel to the past or future created a branch point). Which it isn't.
 
Frankly, going into End Game, I was hoping that time travel would not be the crutch they lean on in the film to resolve the storyline. But it was. Being a former Marvel comics reader I was also hoping that alternate timeline/universe would not be the crutch they leaned on to resolve the story, but again, it very much was. Marvel readers have been slamming thier faces into brick walls over this stuff for decades. Agonizing over some of the most excessively stupid time travel stories ever told. I'm just thankful that this film tried to tell a different kind of time travel story.
annanake said:
this is why time travel is difficult to deal with.
When they killed past Thanos , reality should have reverted to that point every characters memory changing possibly ???


All the explanation in the world does not explain how Thanos collected the infinity stones after him and his army were dusted !

I say they owe us some more movies showing us what happened in our new reality .

Ego only found quill because he held an infinity stone if that dude was working for Thanos and Thanos died before that point that's all changed . It goes on and on .

Stupid time travel .


The pim particle problem was stupid as well . They could have all gone back just a few years to hanks house. I
pretty sure if the entire avengers with prof hulk showed up on his doorstep and told him the score he would have helped out .
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Well, they tried very hard to explain that the time travel in this film is "Quantum" time travel. You're talking about "Relative" time travel, which is what all the movies they referenced all used as thier basis for time travel, and now it's what the general public consideres "time travel". They work very, very differently. With quantum time travel you can absolutely lose to Thanos, go kill him later, and then have to fight a younger version of him. You can also kill a younger version of yourself and not disappear in a puff of time smoke.
 
Noeland said:
Frankly, going into End Game, I was hoping that time travel would not be the crutch they lean on in the film to resolve the storyline. But it was. Being a former Marvel comics reader I was also hoping that alternate timeline/universe would not be the crutch they leaned on to resolve the story, but again, it very much was. Marvel readers have been slamming thier faces into brick walls over this stuff for decades. Agonizing over some of the most excessively stupid time travel stories ever told. I'm just thankful that this film tried to tell a different kind of time travel story.
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In terms of story mechanics I don't see that their purpose for introducing time travel being just as a deus-ex-machina for resolving the central conflict so much as a novel method of resoving long character arcs. (e.g. the culmination of Tony's issues with his father, an unexpected remedy to Steve's pathos as a man out of time ... etc.). My suspension of disbelief extends about as far as my involvement in the story/characters. If the resolutions of their stories weren't so emotionally satisfying and if it was only about reversing the snap to bring half the universe back I would have more of a problem with time travel as a plot device.
Noeland said:
Well, they tried very hard to explain that the time travel in this film is "Quantum" time travel. You're talking about "Relative" time travel, which is what all the movies they referenced all used as thier basis for time travel, and now it's what the general public consideres "time travel". They work very, very differently. With quantum time travel you can absolutely lose to Thanos, go kill him later, and then have to fight a younger version of him. You can also kill a younger version of yourself and not disappear in a puff of time smoke.
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Yep. Sounds good to me.
 
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Noeland said:
Frankly, going into End Game, I was hoping that time travel would not be the crutch they lean on in the film to resolve the storyline. But it was. Being a former Marvel comics reader I was also hoping that alternate timeline/universe would not be the crutch they leaned on to resolve the story, but again, it very much was. Marvel readers have been slamming thier faces into brick walls over this stuff for decades. Agonizing over some of the most excessively stupid time travel stories ever told. I'm just thankful that this film tried to tell a different kind of time travel story.


Well, they tried very hard to explain that the time travel in this film is "Quantum" time travel. You're talking about "Relative" time travel, which is what all the movies they referenced all used as thier basis for time travel, and now it's what the general public consideres "time travel". They work very, very differently. With quantum time travel you can absolutely lose to Thanos, go kill him later, and then have to fight a younger version of him. You can also kill a younger version of yourself and not disappear in a puff of time smoke.
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Yeah the thing I hate about Quantum/ alternate you can kill your younger self and it means nothing to you. Is so there are infinite universes with different outcomes then it doesn't matter shoot yourself in the head and claim victory one version of you will win . What's the difference .

Still good movie just nitpicking for nitpicking sake .

Use time travel to save Iron man Damnit.!!!!

There were so many people at the End im sure I saw captian Kirk fighting in the background ... Those Damn pesky transporter mishaps .
 
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dascoyne said:
The "past Thanos" who brought his armies over to fight is from an alternate timeline. The Thanos of this universe, who snapped out half of humanity and was beheaded by Thor, is not the same individual.

In a nutshell time travel takes the traveler to an alternate universe. That's why you can't alter your present reality through time travel. You're affecting only a different reality, not your own. This doesn't work like Back to the Future.
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I understand that also means Thanos was helping another Thanos not himself !


again whatever just sayin . The time travel/alternate universe route just let them do a greatest hits reel and amp up the nostalgia .



If time travel is possible I personally don't think you can change anything in the past for the simple reason that it is that way . You would be destined to fail in your mission because you already have failed .

Say if you wanted to sink the titanic no problem but if you wanted to save it from sinking you would fail .

Pretty sure at some point in the future we will learn that as soon as we figured out time travel we trIed to assassinate Hitler like a dozen times and failed . That is the reason there were countless attempts on him that failed all in mysterious ways .


Like in futurama when Fry kills his grandpa then bangs his grandma thus insuring his own existence he had to do that because he already had . Even though he knew not what he was doing .

Yep I'm basing my science on Fry from futurama !

Also just to complain when pepper showed up in a suit why didn't she bring every other Iron man suit to fight as we have seen before ?I

P.s. I love how I say I don't like the way they explain time travel in this movie so three people explain it .lol


I'll be less diplomatic then .

i say the use and explanation of time travel in this movie is stupid and just written that way for convenience .
in my worthless and unsolicited opinion .

IRON MAN WILL NEVER DIE !!!
 
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dascoyne said:
It sounds like you're looking for a loophole to visit the past without creating a branch point.
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Not at all.. Im just trying to understand better.

As you mention.."we affect our surroundings in a multitude of imperceptible ways"...

I'm left thinking... EVERYTHING effects it.. and hence there are ALWAYS alternates created, no matter what. (not just big acts like taking the stones.. but time travel itself)
 
So, fun story; this is a screen shot I just took on my phone, while dredging through old pics in a comic nerd Facebook page... check out the date it got posted.

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So posting fan made art calling out that far from home will deal with Parker lamenting the death of Tony Stark, 7 months before endgame even came out, isn't impressive enough of a quick of fate for you? :p
 
Strikerkc said:
So posting fan made art calling out that far from home will deal with Parker lamenting the death of Tony Stark, 7 months before endgame even came out, isn't impressive enough of a quick of fate for you? :p
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Not really a quirk of fate really though. That person took an educated guess, and ended up being right. Happens all the time.
 
Is the only function of the Eye of Agamotto to contain the Time Stone? Will Dr. Strange no longer be wearing it?
 
dascoyne said:
Is the only function of the Eye of Agamotto to contain the Time Stone? Will Dr. Strange no longer be wearing it?
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Why would he no longer be wearing it?

Oh, wait. Nevermind....

I don't know. It's a good question. One might also consider it a badge of his office as Sorcerer Supreme...
 
I'm hoping the Eye, as a vessel, will now be imbued with other magicks (e.g. mystic light) to make it true to the comics.
A time stone was too OP for Dr. Strange to be sporting around anyway.
 
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