Bad Propmaker at it again

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You are missing the point.
No amount of "it looks great" coming from one "friend of a friend" will make up for that WONDERFUL first impression the original piece made.

There are lots of low quality items that are solid, sturdy and heavy.

Even if the gun is of this high quality you purport, we have no evidence of that, but we do have evidence of the previous work, salesmanship and alleged fraud/bait and switch going on.
 
If you cant use your eyes and look at how much detail and work went into the making of this piece I feel bad for you people yes wetas gun is far better than my buddy's piece but he did a damn good job considering he based this piece off of weta's gun.
 
You are still not reading/understanding what everyone is saying.
Read again while I get my popcorn

Its not a matter of price, but reputation, and representation.
First impressions are often the most critical.
What is the first impression you think we have based on all that has happened so far?

The item is being touted as a finished prop replica.
Again, looking at the previous thread linked and the "expose" video that is now gone but most of us have seen, we see that the previous work was not up to par with the "percieved and implied" quality. Would this work be any different? There is nothing for us to consider that is any different than the first time.

WETA has proven that their product is a finished viable prop, they have high rez photos and testimonies from satisfied customers who WE KNOW here.

Does this prop have anything like that at all, besides a low res youtube and some "ebay quality" pictures?

As far as the "best offer" part goes, this link is the third incarnation of this auction to day on this EXACT item. The first was pulled, and it was a buy it now and minimum price regular auction.
The second was a auction with "best offer". That was pulled shortly before it ended and HAD a best offer.

If your "freind" was so willing to sell for "best offer" then why is this the third listing of the same prop? Why didnt it sell for the last "best offer" was given?

Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice shame on us?
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I am perplexed by this thread. Is it fraud? Did somebody steal something?

Or is this basically just RPF members passing judgment on someones work and saying it's not up to snuff? Cuz that's all *I* am seeing here.

If you disagree that it is not worth the asking price, then don't bid on it.

But when did we as a community decide that it was OK to absolutely tear down someone's hard work because there is something licensed available?

Just as plenty of great work goes unnoticed on this forum, I'm sure there are also examples of beginners first steps, or attempts gone wrong. Should we from now on make fun of these people because they don't measure up? or because their hard work doesn't produce an outcome that YOU approve of?

I think this is a dangerous precent for this forum to be setting. If anything, we should be welcoming this builder into the fold, congradulating him on completing a project, and applauding his efforts to set a high value for his work based on his beliefs.
 
MattMunson said:
I am perplexed by this thread. Is it fraud? Did somebody steal something?
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Allegedly YES. Ask anyone who saw the original videos. Or you can read their comments on those videos in the original thread, linked in my first post.
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Or is this basically just RPF members passing judgment on someones work and saying it's not up to snuff? Cuz that's all *I* am seeing here.
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Then you need to read this and the previous thread more throughly.
MattMunson said:
If you disagree that it is not worth the asking price, then don't bid on it.
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Precisely.
MattMunson said:
But when did we as a community decide that it was OK to absolutely tear down someone's hard work because there is something licensed available?
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Because the pricetag, reputation and representation by the seller, who is passing off another almost identical prop is the concern.
MattMunson said:
Just as plenty of great work goes unnoticed on this forum, I'm sure there are also examples of beginners first steps, or attempts gone wrong. Should we from now on make fun of these people because they don't measure up? or because their hard work doesn't produce an outcome that YOU approve of?
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It has nothing to do with the skill level or talent of the propmaker. You miss the point entirely.
MattMunson said:
I think this is a dangerous precent for this forum to be setting. If anything, we should be welcoming this builder into the fold, congradulating him on completing a project, and applauding his efforts to set a high value for his work based on his beliefs.
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Welcoming a reasonable person who is not allegedly a scammer who would reasonably fit into the community is one thing. But like i said before, his first impression reputation goes before him.

A seller should be able to reasonably defend his pricetag. The first we heard of this seller was on a supposed scam about an almost identical item.

Allegedly
 
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Matt, though I do agree with you, I take issue with two things:

1. He is soley here to justify why his piece is worth 500.00 and trying to sell them for as much as the lisence holder. If he would have just come on board saying, "Hey, look what I did. What do you guys think?" it would have been another ballgame alltogether. I'm sure most of us would have applauded his efforts and welcomed him with open arms. I know I would have.

2. If in fact ArcGunFan is just of friend of the original builder, the whole point of him joining the RPF is to defend his work. Does that not come off as odd? Also, he is using the same verbage, word for word and writing in the same style which suggests that he doesn't want to take responsibility for his work. At the very least, coming off as someone who is not being honest as to who he really is.
 
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2. If in fact ArcGunFan is just of friend of the original builder, the whole point of him joining the RPF is to defend his work. Does that not come off as odd? Also, he is using the same verbage, word for word and writing in the same style which suggests that he doesn't want to take responsibility for his work. At the very least, coming off as someone who is not being honest as to who he really is.
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The true definition of a sock puppet account, not the twisted one this forum has placed on nymshifting...

sock puppet: A fake personality, usually a 'friend' or 'sister,' created by a drama queen/king for the sake of defending him/herself against others in an online forum.

Also to add to Funky Jedi

3. It's my understanding that the 'first' offering of this prop was advertised as fiberglass, after purchase the buyer soon found it it was actually just paper/carboard with a slathered on coat of resin...

Someone can correct me on the above it that is not the case...
 
exoray said:
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3. It's my understanding that the 'first' offering of this prop was advertised as fiberglass, after purchase the buyer soon found it it was actually just paper/carboard with a slathered on coat of resin...

Someone can correct me on the above it that is not the case...
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Technically the original item, not the new listing, mind you, was listed as "glass fiber". The text of that auction was ripped DIRECTLY from WETA's site. Allegedly the seller DID tell the buyer of the first one that it was a fiberglass peice.
 
nachtinis said:
Technically the original item, not the new listing, mind you, was listed as "glass fiber". The text of that auction was ripped DIRECTLY from WETA's site. Allegedly the seller DID tell the buyer of the first one that it was a fiberglass peice.
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UK English (glass fibre) vs US English (fiberglass) same stuff...
 
exoray said:
3. It's my understanding that the 'first' offering of this prop was advertised as fiberglass, after purchase the buyer soon found it it was actually just paper/carboard with a slathered on coat of resin...

Someone can correct me on the above it that is not the case...
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Exactly, this whole issue started when it was sold to a fellow member as a fiberglass arc gun. What was received was a Pep paper card piece covered with the resin used on fiberglass but the fiberglass wasn't actually used. I tried to explain it but I had some points wrong so to be safe see the original thread.

Here's the original thread.

http://www.therpf.com/f9/d9-arc-gun-rip-off-do-not-buy-fromsymbiote-x-ebay-88935/
 
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original statement on the trade part
...i was going to send him some parts for a prawn arm and the cash for the gun. once i got the gun i said forget the deal , i want a refund and i would ship it back to him. he did not want to refund all the money. then it went down hill from there. ...
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ive subscribed to parker's tutorials for quite some time now. the kid's done some great stuff, he has great ideas for weekend projects.
 
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