Bring the horror back to the Terminator franchise
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TimDRX
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Zero does contradict the first movie's version of time travel, but so does T2 lol. The new T-800 and the T-1000 come from a future with different information than Kyle and the T-800 in the first movie, giving different dates for Judgement Day; Sarah believes it's August 1997, info she must have gotten from Kyle, but the T-800 says Skynet becomes self aware in 1998.
Feel like if T2 gets a pass for breaking the closed loop story of the first, so does everything else that came after, and Zero was more direct about it lol.
Too Much Garlic
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True. I just wish they had made the Sarah Connor Chronicles story tighter and more in-line with the first two movies. No more time travel... but I guess what I would have wanted was her story between T1 and T2 instead... and then reveal that their attack on Cyberdyne in T2 being the reason Skynet launched the nukes , as, when you think about it... the Connors were acting like Skynet did towards Sarah in T1 - trying to kill it before it was born.
After T2 the Connors should have moved south to stay away from the drop zones, and then started a resistance down there, broadcasting over the radio, before moving north to end Skynet.
Of course... the future war stuff would have been impossible to so without an HBO tv-show budget... and maybe not even with that.
The show should have been about the struggles after the nukes were launched in '97 and Sarah having to let John go to become the leader he was meant to be.
After T2 the Connors should have moved south to stay away from the drop zones, and then started a resistance down there, broadcasting over the radio, before moving north to end Skynet.
Of course... the future war stuff would have been impossible to so without an HBO tv-show budget... and maybe not even with that.
The show should have been about the struggles after the nukes were launched in '97 and Sarah having to let John go to become the leader he was meant to be.
Too Much Garlic
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Watch the movie again. He does not contradict Sarah's earlier statement.
Where it falls apart in not fitting with T1 was that John would have told Reese to warn Sarah of the second event, but he didn't.
Too Much Garlic
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You know they only did that to have a naked shape of a woman in a toilet... in a tv show.
TimDRX
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He absolutely contradicts Sarah's earlier statement lol. According to the T-800 Skynet doesn't become self aware until a year after what Sarah believes is Judgement Day. Because he's from an altered future, as every sequel to Terminator is.
Too Much Garlic
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I do not want to argue this. Go watch the movie and come back and if you still think you are right... I'll wash my mouth with soap.
TimDRX
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Hahah OK!
At about 25 seconds;
Three years. T2 is set in 1995. +3 = 1998, a year after Judgement Day. The T-800 in T2 is from a different timeline than Kyle and the T-800 in the first movie. Get that soap out I guess.
Too Much Garlic
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You just assume the movie takes place in '95. Show me one place in the movie where that is stated.
He specifically states in that very clip that judgment day is the same that Sarah mentioned earlier. August 29th 1997. So not different timeline.
He specifically states in that very clip that judgment day is the same that Sarah mentioned earlier. August 29th 1997. So not different timeline.
It was 1995. When the T-1000 arrived and looked up John on the police car screen, it showed his birthdate in 1985. It listed his current age at 10yo. The movie has to be mid-1990s and that was already a compromise.
From my memory, when T2 came out in theaters, people mostly accepted that John's age had been fudged.
The indirect police car screen info didn't really register with viewers. I remember people assuming the movie was taking place in the present (1991). It had only been 7 years since John Connor was concieved but Eddie Furlong was clearly a junior high kid. Everybody hand-waved it because the movie was so good.
From my memory, when T2 came out in theaters, people mostly accepted that John's age had been fudged.
The indirect police car screen info didn't really register with viewers. I remember people assuming the movie was taking place in the present (1991). It had only been 7 years since John Connor was concieved but Eddie Furlong was clearly a junior high kid. Everybody hand-waved it because the movie was so good.
TimDRX
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When the T-1000 looks up John Connor on the police scanner it says he's 10 years old and was born in 1985. Making it... 1995!
I'm surprised you've never heard of this before, it's a pretty famous mistake that the rest of the series rolls with.
Too Much Garlic
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sure... the math doesn't hold up in the earlier part of the dialogue. And Edward Furlong looked and did things that were too old for the character.
The terminator still states in that very clip the same date Sarah mentioned for Judgment Day, so making the claim it's from a different timeline doesn't hold.
The terminator still states in that very clip the same date Sarah mentioned for Judgment Day, so making the claim it's from a different timeline doesn't hold.
The Terminator's "in three years" implies "within three years," signaling Cyberdyne's rise before Judgment Day. It reflects urgency, not a fixed point, aligning with the more-than-two-year timeline left.Hahah OK!
At about 25 seconds;
Three years. T2 is set in 1995. +3 = 1998, a year after Judgement Day. The T-800 in T2 is from a different timeline than Kyle and the T-800 in the first movie. Get that soap out I guess.
"In three years" can be interpreted loosely in conversational English to mean "up to three years from now," aligning with the timeline.
Also as a machine, the Terminator simplifies its explanation for Sarah and John to grasp the seriousness of Cyberdyne's impending dominance.
So it's 1995 + 2+ years
No mistake.
Terminator Zero was ew.
Too Much Garlic
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You got it. Or maybe the standard likeness is the default and therefore easier to maintain... and the mission would be brief enough for it not to matter about the cop.
Too Much Garlic
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But that, as well as Arnold being the good guy this time around was completely spoiled by the trailer.
Yeah, the trailer spoiling that fact was really lame.
I wish some big iconic directors would make a push to get control over trailers and change the industry habit. Trailers are traditionally up to the producers & studio. The director normally has no say (even big-time people like Spielberg).
I'm sure the producers/studios give themselves a lot of credit whenever they come up with a good trailer for a bad movie. But sometimes a good movie gets absolutely sunk by a bad trailer.
I wish some big iconic directors would make a push to get control over trailers and change the industry habit. Trailers are traditionally up to the producers & studio. The director normally has no say (even big-time people like Spielberg).
I'm sure the producers/studios give themselves a lot of credit whenever they come up with a good trailer for a bad movie. But sometimes a good movie gets absolutely sunk by a bad trailer.
Too Much Garlic
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Yeah. Furiosa had a bad trailer. When I saw it I thought it was going to be about a death race. And that Hemsworth was supposed to be a young Immortan Joe. It was that kind of confusing. But maybe that was just me.
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