Can you help identify the ROTJ Stormtrooper/Fett Hard Hat Liner?

[xenomorph]

It looks to me as thought the face plate Gino has shown is from the type SF helmet with a RF ear cap. It is easy to see that there are only RF helmets in ROTJ and it has only been an incorrect theory that the SF existed on screen simply because there had been no knowledge of the helmets been made for TESB.

John Mollo has confirmed that new MK2 Stormtrooper costumes were made for TESB and they have been identifed on screen- FACT.

If I'm not mistaken, Joe has moulded both types of helmets and I would bet that Gino's moulds match Joe's SF moulds.

Regarding hero and stunt types of ROTJ helmets, these are made from the same moulds (RF) with the exception of flat lenses for the stunt and bubbled for the hero. Only the TESB MK2 SF helmets have the foam liner, not any of the ROTJ from what I can gather.

 

[GINO]

It looks to me as thought the face plate Gino has shown is from the type SF helmet with a RF ear cap.

The ROTJ helmet that was molded by matt was the type 2 hard hat liner type which is what the faceplate I've shown is.

It is easy to see that there are only RF helmets in ROTJ and it has only been an incorrect theory that the SF existed on screen simply because there had been no knowledge of the helmets been made for TESB.

There is no proof that there were or were not type 1 rotj helmets used in ROTJ. And no I do not believe there were new helmets made for ESB.

John Mollo has confirmed that new MK2 Stormtrooper costumes were made for TESB and they have been identifed on screen- FACT.

That is not a fact. I believe mark 2 troopers refers to the refurbishing of the ANH suits period.

If I'm not mistaken, Joe has moulded both types of helmets and I would bet that Gino's moulds match Joe's SF moulds.

You would be wrong.

BTW, you sound like a sockpuppet to me.


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[JoeR]

There has been a lot of discussions recently between a number of us who have handled numerous original RotJ stormtrooper helmets. Bottom line is I dont think anyone will find a photo of a SF on set on RotJ since I dont think they were used for the movie.

Jez my first (SF) helmet came direct from the set when it was gifted to the screenwriter I got it from so how can this be true? Unless they had fully finished helmets lying around on the death star set that were not used for filming, I suppose this is possible.

Joe, not wishing to be pedantic but my article in SWH was about whether RotJ style helmets were used in ESB - not the other way round.

Semantics really, if the helmets were made/used at the time of ESB they are ESB helmets and not Jedi helmets.

Joe

 

[JoeR]

FYI my 2nd set of molds look nothing like Gino's, he has the ANH/ESB style ones, exactly like Matt's, I see no difference at all to Matt's first run of helmets.

Bored of this now, I'm done in this thread...

Joe

 

[GINO]

You don't have your facts straight. Maybe it is because of who you got them from.
PS, I'm not surprised that you see no difference.

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[JoeR]

Just like your ANH molds you are trying to create a back story that they are different to elevate them to a higher status to satisfy your bizarre prop ego.

If it makes you feel better your molds are better than anyone elses and you are the king of the prop world! :lol

Over and out.

Joe

 

[GINO]

Luckily for me, there is no need to create a back story.
Only a lot of times having to clarify it due to others muddying the water to serve their own needs.

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[Star Wars Helmets]

Jez my first (SF) helmet came direct from the set when it was gifted to the screenwriter I got it from so how can this be true? Unless they had fully finished helmets lying around on the death star set that were not used for filming, I suppose this is possible.



Semantics really, if the helmets were made/used at the time of ESB they are ESB helmets and not Jedi helmets.

Joe

Hi Joe - I'm not suggesting anyone acted in anything other than an above-board fashion - nor calling into quesion the provenance of your first helmet. I just find it surprising that given all the HD footage we have, combined with countless behind the scenes photos we've still yet to see a SF on-set. Hopefully something will emerge at some point......

Regarding the second point. Like I said I was not trying to be picky - I just felt that your statement..

some of the ESB helmets were re-used in Jedi as background helmets, see www.starwarshelmets.com for details

suggested there was evidence that ESB helmets appeared in RotJ as (as per my first point above), there currently isn't

Cheers

Jez

 

[g05ty]

OK does anyone actually know where the liner came from or who made it ????
that was the original point of this thread and now it seems like its been hijacked into a "i know more than you" thread.... i understand that some of you know alot about the stormie buckets but its really not helping Joe in his search for the liner, and as for who has better moulds for buckets does it really matter if you are happy with your work and if you know it came directly from an original (screen used or not) then you should be happy with that and stop arguing jeez some of us would kill to get hold of a screen used bucket or a cast directly from one!. :confused

 

[Keith]

Yes, only one ear was resculpted. The wonky looking one. The other side, even though it was not a resculpt, still is distinguishable between the type 1 and type 2 helmets.
In other words, you said only one earcap was different between the two helmet types. I am saying that both are different on both types, but only one was a resculpt.

Gino, I'm amazed that someone can give you information that you didn't know and then somehow you turn around and tell that SAME information to the person that told you in the first place, as if that person didn't know.
This is where arguments start. Silly childish and very geeky arguments, so i'll leave it alone after this, as arguing at a keyboard is not something i want to do in life if i can help it.

Only the left ear is different, the other is a standard ANH/ESB ear that is just trimmed thin. You don't say that one ANH stunt has different ears to another ANH stunt just because its trimmed differently do you?
But i know that you knew exactly what i meant anyway. It was your way of telling me the same thing i just told you.

IMO, its your strong crave to be the king of all knowledge and THE ONLY person to own certain things thats really dragging you down in this community. If you could just lose the ego and be more down to earth, you would be a much more likeable character.

The last thing i wanted to do is to start arguing with you Gino, but you just seem to bring it out of people.

Keith.

 

[GINO]

Trust me, you didn't tell me anything I didn't know, other than incorrect information.

You misunderstand.
I'm saying they are different, and not just because of trimming.


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[Keith]

Funny that, as i've never seen you post that only one ear was sculpted before. I'm sure i've seen you say new ears that look melted or something like that before though.
I would look through some old threads if i could be bothered, but i can't.

Keith.

 

[GINO]

All anyone has to do is look at them to know one was a new sculpt and the other wasn't. It is common knowledge.
If you want to make new discoveries, you're going to have to do better than that.

In the spirit of clarity lets summarize.
On the type 2 hardhat liner rotj helmets, the left ear (as you are wearing it) is a new sculpt ear.
The right ear is not a resculpt, but still differs (distinguishable characteristics) from the type 1 star foam helmets as well as the ANH/ESB helmets.
All sets of earcaps from those three styles of helmets are slightly different enough to be in their own category.

You are saying they are the same. So it appears I'm telling you something you don't know.


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[Keith]

Either you don't understand what i've said, didn't read it, or are trying to twist it.
I quote from my first post about the ears:

"Actually only the left ear is different on the hero ROTJ. The right ear is just a trimmed back ANH ear."

Different meaning resculpted.

"THE RIGHT EAR IS JUST A TRIMMED BACK ANH EAR". Is it not? am i wrong?

I've owned many ANH replicas, including one of your V2 helmets with the DM ears and i've looked at a lot of photos over the years so i'm well aware of slightly different ears between ANH ears.

Your not telling me anything i don't aready know i'm afraid.

Keith.

 

[GINO]

"THE RIGHT EAR IS JUST A TRIMMED BACK ANH EAR". Is it not? am i wrong?

Yes you are wrong. I've said it like three times now.
I don't know how I can make it any more clearer than in my last post.


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[Keith]

By that you know i mean a trimmed back casting of a ANH ear don't you, just like the face and cap are made from ANH/ESB helmets.

Are you saying they resculpted both now?

 

[GINO]

OMG.
It's not just the trimming that makes them different.
And no it is not a resculpt. But there are physical differences between them.
The ANH/ESB helmet ears are not identical to the ROTJ type 1 ears, and the ROTJ type 2 ears are not identical to either of those. They all have distinguishing characteristics and the trimming of the plastic has nothing to do with it.
If you go back and re-read my posts, you'll see I've already said this numerous times. I'm running out of new ways to say it.

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[GINO]

Only the left ear is different, the other is a standard ANH/ESB ear that is just trimmed thin.

This is incorrect.


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[JoeR]

Last post honestly! I have to correct the mis-information that is being spun here. :thumbsdown

TE's/Gino's Jedi molds were taken from the outside of the helmet. TE has stated that the original Jedi helmet was not taken apart due the damage to the hard hat liner that would occur. Plus they would have had to drill out the rivet between the face and cap/back.

At approx $80,000 a pop, this is hardly surprising, and this was also the case with the SFS ANH helmet that Matt owned. Pulling these original helmets apart to mold is dangerous work, they can crack easily and original glues, rivets have to be replaced if they are taken apart.

This would account for the extra wide face on Gino's pull and the fact that the eyes are not quite right either. And the fact that none of the TE Jedi helmets, neither mark 1 or mark 2 look right at all next to screencaps.

@ Jez, I wasn't questioning what you were saying or implying underhand behaviour, I was merely stating that the Hollywood screenwriter who I got my first helmet from, collected it from the set and this is documented in a magazine article. Which I am happy to post if you want to see it...

It may be quite possible, but appears strange that on the set of the Death Star (not in the stores) they had SF helmets lying around that were not being used for filming. I would love to be wrong as that would imply that SF helmets were created at the time of ESB.

Joe

 

[Keith]

Right, i'm with you Thank God thats over.

I was talking about resculpt meaning built from scratch vs recast ANH ear. The face and cap are from a ANH helmet and they look very different.

Only the left ear is a resculpt, like i said at the start.

Keith.