Captain Cardboard X-Wing or Poseidon Young

If a person were to make a 1/24 X-Wing out of Play-Doh, that would technically be studio scale.

Can't speak for anyone else, obviously. But, it wouldn't be studio scale to me. :lol

And, I think the sticky is clear:
"if your project is the replication of a model used in the production of a movie, it belongs here"
The sticky does not read,
"if your project is the same size as a model used in the production of a movie, it belongs here"
Replication implies much more than size.

And, respectfully (but candidly) I think your post is just adding more confusion for newer members, Jay.

Allan
 
I understand where everyone is coming from but when a studio scale model is created isn't it trying to replicate the filming model I doubt anyone would make it inaccurate on purpose some people are just better then others but on this point I agree with the play-doh comment but I know that it should be as accurate as possible I just understand why people would want to make a unaccuate model
 
He has a point, that the name of this forum is not the "Studio Parts Forum". If a person were to make a 1/24 X-Wing out of Play-Doh, that would technically be studio scale.

Well, I'm sorry Jay, but as the creator and original moderator of this forum, I couldn't disagree more with that perspective.

And since Jason and Allan have made the most important points here, all I would add is that the General Modeling Forum is a vital, thriving part of this board, one that many of us enjoy as often as SSM. There's nothing wrong with anyone making a case that a thread posted here really belongs in one of the other forums given the fairly specific charter for this one.
 
that the General Modeling Forum is a vital, thriving part of this board, one that many of us enjoy as often as SSM. There's nothing wrong with anyone making a case that a thread posted here really belongs in one of the other forums given the fairly specific charter for this one.
I do not disagree with that, and said nothing to suggest such.
 
...Replication implies much more than size...

...as the creator and original moderator of this forum, I couldn't disagree more with that perspective...

Well, the word "scale" implies size. I lurked the board a long time before joining up, and I was familiar with the hobby already, so I know what the forum is all about. But you can understand how a newbie would be confused by the title. Sorry, but the word is what it is. Perhaps "Studio Accurate" would be less confusing? Whateva, I like the title fine, and I know what it means.

Achilles isn't arguing, he's simply trying to understand what's goin' on here.


...I doubt anyone would make it inaccurate on purpose...

The Alfred Wong TIE is a good example. It may be sized similar to a studio model, but he doesn't replicate the original detailing; he makes it up. He makes fine models, but they are far from accurate. According to the "Studio Scale" definition, it is not a studio scale model.
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All of this brings up something I've wondered about. If I make a 1/24 X-Wing, as accurate in appearance as possible, but instead of using donor kit parts I scratched all the greeblies, would it be considered studio scale?
 
And, respectfully (but candidly) I think your post is just adding more confusion for newer members, Jay.

Respectfully, but candidly, I'm with Jay. To me the operative word is 'scale'...but then again, when this board was devised nobody would have imagined that people would create scratchbuilds and kits in the same scale as the studio miniatures but as intentionally inexact approximations. It's something I still find a bit baffling, but to each their own.

I think we should change the name of the forum. Really, I'm serious. This confusion will continue forever otherwise.

May I put up "Studio Replica Modelling" for consideration?
 
Well, the word "scale" implies size. I lurked the board a long time before joining up, and I was familiar with the hobby already, so I know what the forum is all about. But you can understand how a newbie would be confused by the title. Sorry, but the word is what it is.

I can't support the notion that failing to read the sticky, which explains the forum's purpose and appropriate subject matter, absolves anyone from posting "from the hip". To be completely blunt, letting General Modeling and/or prop related threads pass (not commenting that they are not appropriate) only contributes to the confusion. I don't think anyone has been particularly heavy-handed in trying to cue Achilles in, here. He's young, new, and is interested in the 5' Falcon. We need more like him!

All of this brings up something I've wondered about. If I make a 1/24 X-Wing, as accurate in appearance as possible, but instead of using donor kit parts I scratched all the greeblies, would it be considered studio scale?

On the grounds that the X's donor parts are, for the most part, quite well-known, and reference is readily available, my opinion is that such a buildup is not studio scale. It has nothing to do with how masterful the builder is (or, sometimes, isn't). Hence, Kevin's comment about the General Modeling forum. I see stuff in there all the time that is phenomenal.

Mad skills:
http://www.therpf.com/f11/wwii-sci-fi-experimental-nazi-mech-suit-101796/
 
Respectfully, but candidly, I'm with Jay. To me the operative word is 'scale'...but then again, when this board was devised nobody would have imagined that people would create scratchbuilds and kits in the same scale as the studio miniatures but as intentionally inexact approximations. It's something I still find a bit baffling, but to each their own.

I think we should change the name of the forum. Really, I'm serious. This confusion will continue forever otherwise.

May I put up "Studio Replica Modelling" for consideration?

And yet, giving people a pass on ignorance because they choose not to read the forum guidelines really cuts against the grain. This forum has been around for more than a decade, after all. I don't really care if the name get's changed. But, changing it for the reason you state is akin to this:

Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where does it end?
 
Jay, I second your call. I've felt a little bad having given Achilles as hard a time as *I* did. The kid's got a noobish (to be expected!) but fairly positive attitude, IMO. Let's not overly discourage new members.

Achilles, re "why people would want to make a unaccuate model" - this is anyone's guess. Possibly to save money since the kit parts are quite expensive to collect. Very expensive, in some cases. Possibly because they have CNC gear and have never come up through the traditional modelling mindset, so it's all one to them - maybe they think "if you can make it with CNC, why is a kit part important?" But to us, it is. Anyway, the short answer is that in fact the Poseidon Young X-wing is technically studio scale but a lot of us feel weird about it, and some of us don't think it qualifies even technically because its creator did in fact set out to create an inaccurate model.

Rob, the Wong TIE is not in studio scale. It is about 1/32 scale according to the widely (here) accepted understanding of TIE scaling (i.e. studio models are 1/24). Alfred disagrees with this scaling and feels TIES are smaller than that. Hence his Interceptor is significantly smaller than a studio-scale model, yet he maintains the 1/24 description. I have suspected that this would at some point cause customer confusion, and potentially 'not as described' claims.

Your second question is a tough one. We have examples to consider right here but neither exactly match your criteria. The Poseidon Young kit is 1/24 but doesn't use donor parts, while the Mensaboy is 1/24 and does use some but not all parts, IIRC. The PY isn't accurate in appearance while the Mensaboy was decent-ish.

Allan says 'no', I say 'yes'...but I don't really like it. I think we need to move on from the SS terminology as that has become increasingly muddied. "Studio-Accurate" isn't bad but would potentially admit other scales provided the detail and proportions were dead-on.
 
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And yet, giving people a pass on ignorance because they choose not to read the forum guidelines really cuts against the grain. This forum has been around for more than a decade, after all. I don't really care if the name get's changed. But, changing it for the reason you state is akin to this:

Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where does it end?

I'll accept that criticism, and I don't consistently argue in favour of realpolitik, but I would do so in this case. I ran an IT leasing program for teachers for a few years and found that people don't read binding contracts, let alone forum guidelines.

We can either live with that and end up in more of these discussions, or change the name to something that is more effectively descriptive in the current environment.

I accept that this won't end inappropriate posts, but may cut them down, so I'd argue for it. It also puts us on a firmer footing when saying 'hey, wrong forum!'.

Just my 2c!

Cheers,
Martyn
 
Well, I can't imagine why anyone would want to change the name of a forum that has existed for the exact same purpose since the day it was created more than ten years ago, especially one as well-known and active as this one.

And before arguments get overly dramatic, the fact of the matter is that a very high percentage of the threads here are on-topic. It's just that, from time to time, we need to help new moderators and members understand the intended purpose of this forum in order to keep it that way.
 
Anyway, the short answer is that in fact the Poseidon Young X-wing is technically studio scale but a lot of us feel weird about it, and some of us don't think it qualifies even technically because its creator did in fact set out to create an inaccurate model.

Martyn, I'm not even sure what you just said. :lol 'It is technically'. 'It doesn't qualify'. 'Set out to make it inaccurate'. Huh? :D

The pattern maker answered this best by starting his thread in the General Modeling section.

Allan says 'no', I say 'yes'...but I don't really like it. I think we need to move on from the SS terminology as that has become increasingly muddied. "Studio-Accurate" isn't bad but would potentially admit other scales provided the detail and proportions were dead-on.

I gotta just say that referencing actual scales, 1/24, 1/32, etc. in connection with studio scale is of very little use or merit. Just so not what it's about... The size of most filming models issues directly from the needs of the production. Which is why there are so many different "sizes" of Falcon, AT-AT, Snowspeeder, etc.

I accept that this won't end inappropriate posts, but may cut them down, so I'd argue for it. It also puts us on a firmer footing when saying 'hey, wrong forum!'.

Just my 2c!

Cheers,
Martyn

Changing the forum name won't prevent me coming here and continuing to enjoy the proceedings. I just think it's a little silly. I refuse to acknowledge that "the world has moved on". :lol
 
Martyn, I'm not even sure what you just said. :lol 'It is technically'. 'It doesn't qualify'. 'Set out to make it inaccurate'. Huh? :D

Heh! I'm trying to say that 'studio scale' means different things to different people. The PY is studio SCALE, but not studio ACCURATE. To you studio scale MEANS studio accurate, and yes, that's how I've always taken it too. But it seems not everyone agrees, nowadays.

The pattern maker answered this best by starting his thread in the General Modeling section.

Agreed - I have no complaint against Poseidon. I'm assuming Achilles won't be the only one of his customers who will post here, however.

I gotta just say that referencing actual scales, 1/24, 1/32, etc. in connection with studio scale is of very little use or merit. Just so not what it's about... The size of most filming models issues directly from the needs of the production. Which is why there are so many different "sizes" of Falcon, AT-AT, Snowspeeder, etc.

Sure, no argument. Adding to the confusion are the 'official' sizes of SW ships and the effect of this body of information (largely nonsensical) on licenced releases; I measured up an FM TIE last night and found that at it's '1/72' scale, a "real" TIE ball would be 7 feet in diameter. Uh...yeah. :confused My point was just that Mr. Wong's choice of scale had the potential to further confuse newer modellers. As we've seen here.

I refuse to acknowledge that "the world has moved on". :lol

:lol I've fought and lost that same fight a few times now. :cry
 
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I only meant to point out that a more carefully worded forum title would help to avoid confusion. I am not in any way advocating a name change :)
 
Sorry guys didnt mean to stir up this debate, I really love this forum I visit multiple times a day just to find out as much as possible about the fimlimg models as I want to collect and own them all and hopefully kit bash a few kits together of my own for you guys, the lack of experience led to the purchase of the PY kit once that it is completed I will be purchasing a V3 but they are just not available enough and by the time I wake up in Australia all the ones that were posted while I was asleep are gone :(. Though the forums name can be confusing I dont think that it needs to be changed though it couldnt hurt, As I own almost all of the mass produced kits venturing into the garage kit market was a bit daunting as there is sooo many versions and I couldnt figure out why, I just thought I would ask the guys that knew the most.

Sorry if I have given anyone a hard time

And yes I love the 5' falcon and hacve been obsessed with it ever since I saw the 2 exhibitions ive been to I have tonnes of film and pictures of the model I also love all the other large models that were on display (blockade runner, star destroyer, giant X-Wing, Y-wing)

Man I wish I had more money lol
 
As Allan said, a rite of passage in SS, is to crack open some donor kits, and really get into the heads of the guys that built these things back in the 70's and 80's.

lee

I dont know if 100% agree with you the artist built the model to look good for the film. Most of the time the models are just put in a box and left to sit in a warehouse. The studio scale modeler will have to figure how they built the basic shape but when it comes down to the kit parts is more or less a puzzle.
 
There are plenty of reference pix of most studio models. It's just a case of identifying which kits. That's the challenge and that's what makes this hobby so exciting.
 
I dont know if 100% agree with you the artist built the model to look good for the film. Most of the time the models are just put in a box and left to sit in a warehouse. The studio scale modeler will have to figure how they built the basic shape but when it comes down to the kit parts is more or less a puzzle.

Once again, in English, you made no sense in that statement at all.

Are you saying, finding the right kit parts, is a kind of puzzle? Well yes, in a way, but, if a Studio Scale modeler, cant even find ANY correct kit parts used on a prop or model...you in the wrong hobby pal, and belong in the general forum :lol

lee
 
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