Defined Vader ANH saber thread, lets nail this sucker!
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lonepigeon
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The clamp is at 7 o'clock in the movie as well. On purpose or not, I would guess it didn't move. Icons probably just put it at 6 to make it line up and seem right.
The nail theory sounds plausible. One thing though, it doesn't seem like the lever would stay on too well with just glue- especially with half of it hanging off the edge. It would be easy for something to snag the lever and break it off.
As the Obi-Wan saber has shown these pics are likely post production (at least mid production, hence the missing washer around the transistor).
The nail theory sounds plausible. One thing though, it doesn't seem like the lever would stay on too well with just glue- especially with half of it hanging off the edge. It would be easy for something to snag the lever and break it off.
As the Obi-Wan saber has shown these pics are likely post production (at least mid production, hence the missing washer around the transistor).
Sluis Van, don't bet on it. They took a TON of artistic license with their vader saber, the clamp has the wrong dimentions the end cap is wrong the bulb release is wrong even the lever position is wrong, and they had the same pics posted in this thread and probably more, better ones. Don't rely on Icons props for anything.
That said, I'm not positive it was intentionaly off center. even when I have my replicas clamp tightened down preaty good it can still slide a bit. Also if it really is a bent nail holding it together there's probably not a ton of tension on the clamp. In favor of it being off center the Luke ANH saber had it clamp off center in the movie.
~Paul
That said, I'm not positive it was intentionaly off center. even when I have my replicas clamp tightened down preaty good it can still slide a bit. Also if it really is a bent nail holding it together there's probably not a ton of tension on the clamp. In favor of it being off center the Luke ANH saber had it clamp off center in the movie.
~Paul
Chris, Yeah but if they filled the bottom of the lever with hot glue and stuck it on the nail it would be hard pressed to move. Also I have the lever on my current vader atatched to the side with a sheet metal screw and it's really not sticking out much especialy where its turned down a bit. The disk, what ever it is is seen through ou the movie. it's very visible in the first shots of vader on the blockade-runner and else where. I'm preaty sure the lever is atatched to what ever that is coming out of the hole on the side bar.
~Paul
~Paul
Oohyeah KL
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Regarding the clock position of the clamp, I too believe that it was NOT intentionally at 7, but rather, was meant to have been at 6, like the rest of the Vader sabers.
It doesn't really make sense for it to be at 7.
(Luke's movie graflex was at 10 only cos that's the maximum it could turn upwards, so there's a reason for that.)
But I'm still placing mine at 7 though, just so it looks like the movie version and the pics.
It doesn't really make sense for it to be at 7.
(Luke's movie graflex was at 10 only cos that's the maximum it could turn upwards, so there's a reason for that.)
But I'm still placing mine at 7 though, just so it looks like the movie version and the pics.
SithKnightM
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Since the clamp was loosened, how can we be sure that the verticle positioning of the clamp was also changed from it's original position...?
Are there any clear shots of the saber from the movie?
Regards.
Are there any clear shots of the saber from the movie?
Regards.
lonepigeon
Master Member
I just rescanned Chronicles again. Looking really close at the lever it does seem like the nail theory is correct.
Another thing on clamp position. I get the top of the clamp 3/4" below the nameplate rivet hole (going from center of hole).
I was just rechecking the grips and some of them are really off. Spacing between them varies quite a bit which is how I was getting conflicting grip positions. Odd numbered positioning seems to be the average spacing.
Anyone else having D-ring problems?
I thought would go in easy and I could at least put that on quick, but the hole's too small.
I'll definitely be trimming a bit out of the center of the ring since the MPP section is so wide (a regular ring has to be stretched out too much and gets distorted- Heiland went in easier). So are people redrilling/expanding the D-ring hole or do your D-rings fit? What's the best way to expand the hole with the least amount of risk to the finish?
I'm using a standard 1" d-ring.
Another thing on clamp position. I get the top of the clamp 3/4" below the nameplate rivet hole (going from center of hole).
I was just rechecking the grips and some of them are really off. Spacing between them varies quite a bit which is how I was getting conflicting grip positions. Odd numbered positioning seems to be the average spacing.
Anyone else having D-ring problems?
I thought would go in easy and I could at least put that on quick, but the hole's too small.
I'll definitely be trimming a bit out of the center of the ring since the MPP section is so wide (a regular ring has to be stretched out too much and gets distorted- Heiland went in easier). So are people redrilling/expanding the D-ring hole or do your D-rings fit? What's the best way to expand the hole with the least amount of risk to the finish?
I'm using a standard 1" d-ring.
I had to trim my D-ring. I wasted the hell out of one D-ring bending it. It would go back to it's original shape. I think that the hole was drilled to just fit it perfectly leaving not much room for play. So it gets stuck.
Glad I had an extra.
Now to get the damn thing to stay in one place.
The screw theory sound good and the pictures seem to back it up.
I also believe that the clamp was meant to be at 6. Maybe when they were putting that nail in they slid it to seven by accident. Perhaps the clamp itself is glued on to prevent any other unexpected breaks. Perhaps it dried to fast to slide it back to six or nobody noticed until it was too late.
Anyway, just my $0.02
Now to get the damn thing to stay in one place.
The screw theory sound good and the pictures seem to back it up.
I also believe that the clamp was meant to be at 6. Maybe when they were putting that nail in they slid it to seven by accident. Perhaps the clamp itself is glued on to prevent any other unexpected breaks. Perhaps it dried to fast to slide it back to six or nobody noticed until it was too late.
Anyway, just my $0.02
Oohyeah KL
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YES!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!
Gav, where are you? Would be great to get your 'seal of approval' too (and anyone else's, for that matter)!
Chris, re the D-ring, mine fit perfectly. Well, one end was a bit crooked at the tip, so after I pulled the D-ring wider apart with my 2 index fingers, I stuck in that end first. Then I just squeezed the thing back together again, with the other tip entering the other hole in doing so.
Scraped off a bit of the shroud surface near the hole, so be careful, guys!
As for the bubbles - haven't tried the Blastech bubbles, but Gav's bubbles were perfect!! (not to mention awesome looking - clear bubbles, and 6 perfect bubbles instead of a 7-bubble cut-down to 6 version). Those who haven't got one but have an MPP, I'd strongly advise you to get yourself one of Gav's bubbles!
YES!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!
Gav, where are you? Would be great to get your 'seal of approval' too (and anyone else's, for that matter)!
Chris, re the D-ring, mine fit perfectly. Well, one end was a bit crooked at the tip, so after I pulled the D-ring wider apart with my 2 index fingers, I stuck in that end first. Then I just squeezed the thing back together again, with the other tip entering the other hole in doing so.
Scraped off a bit of the shroud surface near the hole, so be careful, guys!
As for the bubbles - haven't tried the Blastech bubbles, but Gav's bubbles were perfect!! (not to mention awesome looking - clear bubbles, and 6 perfect bubbles instead of a 7-bubble cut-down to 6 version). Those who haven't got one but have an MPP, I'd strongly advise you to get yourself one of Gav's bubbles!
John's bubbles are two wide. I just tried Gav's and they fit perfect. Thanks Gav.
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I'm here.
THat is an intersting theory you have there KL. They did have to have used something on the other side of hte lever though to make sure the clamp didn't come off. It could have been anything and don't know about you guys, but a nail is a major bitch to bend and form. Especially around a clamp as flimsy as the MPP clamp, but possible.
Paul N, I don't htink they used hotglue. Stuff peels off if you look at it wrong. Possibly used epoxy. It'd make the most sense if they definately used a nail.
We are definately close if not right on to figuring out how it was done. Kudos to you KL.
Shadowknight, your welcome.
I'm here.
Paul N, I don't htink they used hotglue. Stuff peels off if you look at it wrong. Possibly used epoxy. It'd make the most sense if they definately used a nail.
We are definately close if not right on to figuring out how it was done. Kudos to you KL.
Shadowknight, your welcome.
Oohyeah KL
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Ah! There's the man himself! THAAAAAANK YOU GAV!!!
I would have thought the other side of the clamp would have been held together simply by the pressure of the nail head (ie, the flat 'disc'), so I wouldn't have thought anything more was necessary.
As for bending, I would have thought they just took a hammer and hammered the bugger down. At least that was I was thinking of doing if I ever do this one day...
I would have thought the other side of the clamp would have been held together simply by the pressure of the nail head (ie, the flat 'disc'), so I wouldn't have thought anything more was necessary.
As for bending, I would have thought they just took a hammer and hammered the bugger down. At least that was I was thinking of doing if I ever do this one day...
Hi Gav' glad you comented. If it is a nail it's a preaty thin one, that hole on the clamp is preaty small and the part of the nail coming out of it is smaller still. If they clamped the clamp together and then bent the nail using the side bar as the bending point I would think it would be enough to hold it faily well. I still think KL is right and it's a nail but we have to keep an open mind (but I do think we "Nailed" it
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Oh, I was jsut pulling the hot glue thing out of my ass, basically they used a thinck gloppy glue (atleast on the Vader RoTJ saber). Your probably right though that it was epoxy.
Man this thread is going so well! I really can't wait to do a thread about the ESB version (my "white whale").
~Paul
Oh, I was jsut pulling the hot glue thing out of my ass, basically they used a thinck gloppy glue (atleast on the Vader RoTJ saber). Your probably right though that it was epoxy.
Man this thread is going so well! I really can't wait to do a thread about the ESB version (my "white whale").
~Paul
SinkTube Jedi
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A nail is a good theory, but what is holding it in there?
Does anyone have the pic were it shows the lever broke and screwed on?
Maybe there were a few made and this is one of them?? For ANH.
Does anyone have the pic were it shows the lever broke and screwed on?
Maybe there were a few made and this is one of them?? For ANH.
SinkTube Jedi
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AM I loosing my mind???
lonepigeon
Master Member
Could be a rivet or some other post shaped metal piece too, instead of a nail. They would bend easier- maybe an aluminum post. Nail sounds good though, fast and dirty the way these props were built.
