eagle kit info

Hmm.

Well, I wanted an answer, and now I have it. Mark, I must
say that after reviewing all the info sent to me by yourself,
and Chris Trice ... that Chris clearly isn't the one who
made the serious lapses in judgement.

It's too bad that things ended the way they did.
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Now, with that said, didn't the boba_flint ask this to be conducted through PM's or e-mail?


Mark
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You are correct. However I was contacted by Chris, and after putting some thought into it I felt since his name was brought up it should only be fair for him to address his feelings on the board.
He has said his peace and everyone knows that they can get in touch with each other through PMs.
As I've told a cople of people we have have a good track record here of agruments, misuderstandings, and disputes being worked out in a mature manner. I hope this continues.


Now get back to disscussing the Eagle!!!!!!!
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Jim, thanks for the input on the detailing questions. I have allready consulted the excellant pictures in the article on restoring the #1 Eagle on your site, they certainly have spurred me on to chase up detailing parts for a 44" model.

I agree for the most part that it is not important that the detailing inside the cages be slavishly followed, but I do want to approximate it at a minimum where possible. The thing that bugged me about the AB Models 44" Eagle kit was the VERY generic detailing in those area, and I promised myself that should I attempt this project I would at least try to get it closer.
The economics of getting an exact replication would preclude doing so for a large part, but stratchbuilding comparable detailshould be doable where the original parts are not available.
Some of the details DO look very fitting IMHO, such as the allready mentioned Panther engine decking sections on the #2 Eagle.

To that end, I found a 1/25 scale Jagdpanther kit in my local store today for the equivalent of $40 US. It is made by Academy Minicraft, with a mold date of 1986 and is equipped with parts to set it up for a provided wire remote control. Can anyone clarify whether this has any relationship to the allready mentioned Tamiya 1/25 Jagdpanther kit? Posibly a licensed reissue of the same?

Cheers

Tony
 
Tony,
You are a beacon of light in chaos.
You speak of MODEL BUILDING! CHEERS!!


Its about Model building folks! A HOBBY!! Not a "SECRET SECRET Psycho Drama"

Jeez..I though the PROP builders were a bunch of freaks.

My statements apply to those who express something that makes it obvious to everyone else the description applies to them!
 
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Jeez..I though the PROP builders were a bunch of freaks.

My statements apply to those who express something that makes it obvious to everyone else the description applies to them!
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????

Frank ..

I'm not sure why you're here ...apparently trying to
inflame a thread that has been mostly civil.
 
Tony, I too bought that kit and the Chieftains they released. The Chieftains are okay but the Jadgpanther is off in a few areas. It would work if you don't mind the minor differences. One of them being the bolts around the hatch on the engine deck. And they seem to use some soft plastic that is not forgiving if you make a mistake. The kits are also plagued with flash.



Mark
 
Thank you for the clarification.
As we are talking about parts I am thinking about using for the detailing inside the cages, and keeping in mind Jim's sage advice about how general the detailing can be in those area, I guess this would make an acceptable substitute then.

I merely want to make the detailing a closer match than the AB example, if I can manage that, I will be satisfied.

Would the Chieftan kit you mention make an acceptable base for the Laser Tank if I could locate one?

As allways, any advice taken into consideration.

Tony
 
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Its about Model building folks! A HOBBY!! Not a "SECRET SECRET Psycho Drama"

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Hi Frank.

To many (most?) people here, yes, it's just a hobby. But to some of us it's about earning a living. I used to be one of those who just gave out info to anyone who asked, but since I've been burned by people who've used that info against me, I am now very cautious about what I let out, and then only to trusted friends. Most of the time, having that kind of information is advantageous to those of us who build models for a living and give us an edge over the competition. I don't mind competition, in fact it's healthy, but why should I help to create it?

Alas, I do understand the frustration of those of you (us) seeking information when it's obvious that someone you're talking to has it all but won't "share". I understand because I have been and still am in that position from time to time, but I have also learned that the information will come to you in time and trust. Patience and honesty is the key.

Twenty five years it took me to make the proper contacts and gather the information that now allows me to build a perfectly accurate Eagle (only to discover that in some cases the information is too much or not necessary, such as the interior box detailing!), but there are plenty of other models I wish to build and I do not yet have the information. I am confident that it will come in time. Mostly though, I make sure that I hold very rigidly to the agreements I have made with my contacts, and consider these agreements to be my "prime directive" if you will. If I'm told to keep my mouth shut, that's what I do. Some info I've been told not even to share with my closest friends, and I honor that request.

Some people who seem gratious and generous in giving out information are actually giving out that which they were told to keep to themselves. Those people, unfortunately, end up burning their bridges and become outcasts in the very small, closely knit community of people who originally did the research. Those are the people who end up ruining it for everybody in an effort to show off to the general public.

Frank, I have seen the Star Wars "Seeker Ball" for example, that you built/helped build (I forget which, but I know your name was mentioned as a source of info at least). Truly great work and I'd love to have all the info to build one myself, but let's pretend you were making them for a living. Would you still want to give away all the information that you worked years for so that others could go into competition with you and possibly result in your losing business? You'd be best to keep it to yourself I'd think.

Well, that's all it's about. Eventually, we do find the info we need after a lot of hard work and/or making the right contacts. It's important though that when we make these contacts we respect their privacy and honour their wishes to keep it secret. It's not about paranoia, it's about protecting your interests and the interests of those kind enough to share their info with you.

Some people should learn from that. It would be better for everyone.

EjIMBo.
 
Just a quick message to Brundlefly.

I've passed on your message to Chris Trice and edited the bit you asked me to.

Regards

Toffer
 
EjIMBo and Toffer,

I understand where you are coming from.
Ya be PREACHING to the choir!!!
Surely (Ill stop calling you Shirley!) You have seen the 32 inch Millineum Falcon. thread?

WHO has the two most complete ones? Moe and I. Between Moe and myself, we have about 1500 bucks in kits..and an excel spreadsheet with parts..and 1000s of photos that most would DIE for.
Not to mention the entire model COLOR CODED with ALMOST each and EVERY part identified.

We are guessing we need 5 kits.

So...just to state publicly, Im NOT a HYPOCRIT...I just hate flame wars...and wanted people to get the facts straight..and take it off line.

Like I said....I dont hang out on the PROP boards...cause it got WAY TOO FREAKY and POLITICAL. Pyschotic in some cases...




as far as this statement:
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Frank, I have seen the Star Wars "Seeker Ball" for example, that you built/helped build (I forget which, but I know your name was mentioned as a source of info at least). Truly great work and I'd love to have all the info to build one myself, but let's pretend you were making them for a living. Would you still want to give away all the information that you worked years for so that others could go into competition with you and possibly result in your losing business? You'd be best to keep it to yourself I'd think.
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Thank you!
I appreciate the compliment.
I did get sick of making them, however despite intense negotiotions....with MASTER REPLICAS..and lots of questions asked about the ball in terms of info...accuracy..where to improve...parts..etc.
Thats exactly what happened. And the fact that Steve REBUILT the ball from scratch based on mine ( he owned a casting that I had sold him years ago and even took it to LUCASFILM for initial product pitch )

...that kinda what happened.

No biggie. The fans will get a really accurate remote..for a good price. Even though I didn't get compensated for ALL THE RESEARCH and MR will make BIG $$$$$, I had a significant part in its manifestation.

So...everyone wins!
I hope that when everyone out there GETS one...THINK of me everytime you look at it. Its me all over it.
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Frank Cerney
 
Frank ... I recently picked up one of your Training Remotes
and it is an incredible piece of work.

Back to the regularly scheduled "Eagle Parts" thread ...

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Tony, I would rather use the Tamiya kits but they are expensive and hard to find. The Academy Minicraft ones are fine. But Jim knows of one made in Korea that I'm told is one better then the Academy Minicraft ones. It's up to you.

Jim, you may want to stop. Were trying to get the thread back on track.



Mark
 
Frank, you've seen my shop. What would you say I have invested in kits? I can say the Bandai 1/24 kits alone are around $2,000.00! And we can't forget the 28 Leopold's, 25 Morser Karl's and so on.
What gets me is the cost of these kits. I wonder if the shops back then had to pay big bucks. I mean, these kits were expensive back then.



Mark
 
I dont know!
They are not cheap!
I end up MOLDING many parts...as there are MULTPLE kits all over.
Whether its the EAGLE...MF or Y WING.
I have about 300 lbs in RUBBER in my GARAGE.
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Jim, as advised by Chris and others, if I want to replicate a SPECIFIC Eagle, I need to pick which one early in the piece and also determine at what stage in its life, detail wise, I am going to model.

The #1 Eagle is now a better choice due to the pictures on your site of the restoration. I have kits like the Airfix Saturn V (8 of them actually...
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), the Airfix 1/24 Mustang and 1/72 B-29 that will work towards that aim.

Or I can try for the #2 Eagle, for which the Engine deck parts and 1/24 Harrier I have will be usable for detailing. I agree that most detailing will be lost on the casual viewer, but items such as the B-29 cowls on the underside of #1 are very visable in pictures and still exist on it today, but you know that.

Chris kindly molds his 44" beak so that there is enough excess glass to trim it to dimensions that match either the #1 OR the #2 Eagle. You yourself offer the engine bells in #1 and #2 configurations, for which I thank you. The differences could have been ignored and very few would have been the wiser. Nice one....
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I have allready learnt much from this thread and appreciate ANY info that people such as yourself choose to share. I know that my final model will be all the better for it.

I am pretty sure that I will be making my 44" Eagle after the #1 model, but I also like to at least keep my options open by seeing what I can find around.

At the VERY least, I can incorporate generic detailing that attempts to at least emulate that on the studio models. Both the AB and RU kits fail to do that, IMHO.

Oh, and why do I want 8 Airfix Saturn V's? Well, as advised by you, I need at least 4 for detailing a 44" Eagle (they actually were really easy to get a hold of!), plus the rest will not go to waste........A certain Space Station springs to mind....
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Just need to find a very old Enterprise kit....
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Cheers to all.

Tony
 
Yep , that was one of the first sites I found after Dan P's plans site. I am pretty sure they are photos of the #2 and #3 44" Eagles taken back at an exhibition in the 90's? Jim can probably confirm that.

I believe that the spine booster seen in the pics is the one done by Chris for the owner of the #3 model.

Cheers

Tony
 
Hi Tony!

Your work-to-be-planned sounds great! I wish you well in your model's construction. God knows how thrilling it is to build an accurate Eagle!

BTW, soon to be available to people like you is a set of incredibly accurate plans for an Eagle done by Chris Trice and Daniel Prud'Homme. When these are available they will be announced on my site. They are 100% accurate blueprints of the #1 Eagle model with every single part extensively detailed so there will be NO guesswork! I am not selling them myself (no kickbacks), but I will be promoting my friends work because they have helped me so much in my own research and the work I have done.

I have pictures to share with you, but I don't know how to post them here (I'm quite new to this type of forum and know ZIP about HTML code... I do my web page with a WYSIWYG program). Why don't you email me privately using the standard email services at "jim@smallartworks.ca" and I will respond with pictures attached to the email, showing you how I am building my own (well, it's actually for a customer) 44" model. I can describe, via the pictures, the various shortcuts I'm taking that can help you get the model done with less pain. If you like the designs of the interior boxes I'm building, I can help you with those, as I made a mold. I can do this because these are my own work and do not use the "priviledged" info that I have gleaned from other sources, so I am willing to share this info with you. Email me.

EjIMBo.
 
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