Ironman recast please avoid this seller

[pattym]

knowing what i know now, I would never have bought the sideshow and would have spent the money buying more armour from the sculptors.

 

[pattym]

FYI, I own a legit sideshow bust, but technically.... it is a recast, NO?

lol

 

[exoray]

but what stops Marvel from going after the other guys who are making thousands of dollars off their work as well?

Nothing, they have every right to pursue anyone they feel infringes upon their rights, but you are now applying law instead of community standards...

The community standards are not the law, and the law isn't the community standard, they are two separate and distinct principles...

 

[Haywire]

I could be wrong, but I think your answering your own question. One is a sculpture and one is recast...more or less like plagiarism. Even in school, you can read various articles and if you choose to put other people's idea into your own words, its fine. But to directly copy someone else's work, without their permission, its plagiarism. All of these sculpters on their board have their own fingerprint on their work, making it different then others. Recasters simply lift the fingerprints of others and profit from their work.

 

[sterling archer]

It is nice to know that there are still honest people who look out for others, especially new members,by outing liars and cheats on this site.I am amazed that people could spot forgeries so easily.I have to say that I'm glad I joined.thumbsup:thumbsup

 

[ultron]

Correct. We actually made these molds together working side by side. I took over the molds when Fin started working on a new helmet sculpt. Please don't insinuate or speak so matter of factly about something that you know nothing about.

I didn't mean to overstep my bounds, but I'm a little confused by your last comment. I didn't insinuate anything. I speculated that you had the actual molds because of your wording in your thread [1], and did so to illustrate that you are not recasting by any definition of the word, but I first stated something that was factual and evident from the forums in the event that my speculation was not correct: you have complete permission to do so, since you are partnered with Clint [2]. It is not my claim that it is true, only what I thought to be true from the evidence, and I stated that as such.

I'm not sure why this was speaking matter-of-factly regarding something I know nothing about, since all the information is explicitly provided and isn't insider information [3][4]. :confused Perhaps I am missing something.

Sources:

[1] http://www.therpf.com/f13/ironman-mark-3-lids-107253/
[2] http://www.therpf.com/f13/iron-man-mark-3-helmet-kits-114682/
[3] http://www.therpf.com/f13/iron-man-bust-106293/
[4] http://www.therpf.com/f13/iron-man-helmet-stand-bust-114781/

 

[Finhead]

I don't think the last part was meant for you it was in response to this comment made by pattym.

I bought a very nice ironman helmet from a member on here who recast FINHEAD's mask...


Thanks guys.

 

[coofunkcurly]

Correct. Sorry ultron, was by no means meant for you.

 

[ultron]

Cheers. I had hoped it was just a misunderstanding on my part.

 

[defstartrooper]

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[d_jedi1]

I saw where the OP had contacted sideshow... awesome :thumbsup
I was going to post that Sideshow had been notified via facebook about these recasts being sold on ebay on THEIR post about the recast (HotToys) Wolverine figure.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/sideshowcollectibles
specifically "Bill Calahan If you think thats bad. You should do a search for "Iron Man Bust kit" on eBay some time and see what pops up"

Seems like recasters are popping up every where these days. The Wolverine figures are being sold from Vietnam so if you see one of THOSE on ebay for what seems like a low price (for that figure) it's almost certainly a recast.
Hot Toys - MMS 103 - X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Wolverine Figure - Page 395 - Sideshow Freaks
(They actually start calling out and reporting ebay posts pages before that but I don't feel like re-reading it all right now. Most of the pics and info about the recast figures are posted or re-posted later anyway.)
HotToys posting abour the wolverine fakes...
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150263411782344.325591.58690437343&type=1

 

[pattym]

Sorry FINHEAD, REcast was probably the wrong word. What is it called when someone makes a copy of your sculptures using a mold and then sells it with your permission?

Is it called a replica??

Substitute the correct word for "recast" into my sentence, then you'll see what I was getting at.

 

[aron42486]

Sorry FINHEAD, REcast was probably the wrong word. What is it called when someone makes a copy of your sculptures using a mold and then sells it with your permission?

Is it called a replica??

Substitute the correct word for "recast" into my sentence, then you'll see what I was getting at.

If it is from the original mold or master and done with permission it is just called a "cast". Everyone here uses the term "recast" specifically for reproductions that have not been given permission to be made.

Haywire's plagiarism analogy is spot on.

I could be wrong, but I think your answering your own question. One is a sculpture and one is recast...more or less like plagiarism. Even in school, you can read various articles and if you choose to put other people's idea into your own words, its fine. But to directly copy someone else's work, without their permission, its plagiarism. All of these sculpters on their board have their own fingerprint on their work, making it different then others. Recasters simply lift the fingerprints of others and profit from their work.

I believe the whole scuplting vs. recasting debate goes like this. It is a lesser of two evils and comes down to ethics. Scuplting things to sell that we do not have copyrights to is technically "unethical", but is allowed here. It is by far MORE unethical to recast another member's work and pass it off as your own.

Scuplting copyrighted work is permitted. Direct recasting is not acceptable.

 

[Supa troop]

If it is from the original mold or master and done with permission it is just called a "cast". Everyone here uses the term "recast" specifically for reproductions that have not been given permission to be made.

Haywire's plagiarism analogy is spot on.



I believe the whole scuplting vs. recasting debate goes like this. It is a lesser of two evils and comes down to ethics. Scuplting things to sell that we do not have copyrights to is unethical. It is by far MORE unethical to recast another member's work and pass it off as your own.

The RPF draws the line at recasting, which is not acceptable.

so i take it then you only buy Licensed products ??

 

[aron42486]

so i take it then you only buy Licensed products ??

Sorry, bad phrasing of words, just noticed it.

I meant that sculpting replica works is acceptable here, but direct recasting of another members product is not. So that is where the line is drawn, meaning recasting is unacceptable.

I'll edit my previous post to reword it, my bad.

 

[Supa troop]

Sorry, bad phrasing of words, just noticed it.

I meant that sculpting replica works is acceptable here, but direct recasting of another members product is not. So that is where the line is drawn, meaning recasting is unacceptable.

I'll edit my previous post to reword it, my bad.

:thumbsup

 

[TMP]

One thing to do if you discover its a fake and its bought of Ebay. Report the item imidiatly. If you also paid with paypal report it as a fake recast, counterfit and you get your money back if you report it within a certain period. Or ask the members here prior to buying or buy directly form members on the board. This is a resourceful group of people.

 

[TMP]

yeah, I agree recasting takes less talent than sculpting... way less. I just don't understand how the sculptors are any different, as they aren't doing original material.

I agree, sideshow has every right to go after this recaster.... but what stops Marvel from going after the other guys who are making thousands of dollars off their work as well?

Where is the line drawn?

I tell you the difference. almost a half year of sculpting. Imagine all the labour behind it. I speak for our self. We sculpted this in clay, with our own hands from vissual reffrence only. No CGI, Template, or CNC machine cutting the peices for us from a 3D printer. We sculpted it. Spent long days and hours and enourmouce amount of resources in material cost to make all the variouse moulds.

We did all the sculpting, fabricating, mould makeing, casting, cleaning and then make prototype parts, Then testing, enginereing the parts to fuction and then clean and detail all the parts and final details for the final master mould in silicon.

VS RECASTER.

a Recaster rakes of other people work only to make proffit without involving him self in the proccess of creativity, enginereing, fabrication... He is only pouring his recast material over in one day.


Do you se the difference?


What is the difference in the Original Mona Lisa and a copy print.
What is the difference in the labour of painting the Mona Lisa vs printing a copy?
What is the difference in price of the Original Mona Lisa Vs a print.


More important how do you value the individual artist arround you.
How do you value the individual artistic members of this board?
And what is the reason for you membership on this board? To rake of the fellow members creative time and labour or to value their time and labour?

 

[masked rider]

I tell you the difference. almost a half year of sculpting. Imagine all the labour behind it. I speak for our self. We sculpted this in clay, with our own hands from vissual reffrence only. No CGI, Template, or CNC machine cutting the peices for us from a 3D printer. We sculpted it. Spent long days and hours and enourmouce amount of resources in material cost to make all the variouse moulds.

We did all the sculpting, fabricating, mould makeing, casting, cleaning and then make prototype parts, Then testing, enginereing the parts to fuction and then clean and detail all the parts and final details for the final master mould in silicon.

VS RECASTER.

a Recaster rakes of other people work only to make proffit without involving him self in the proccess of creativity, enginereing, fabrication... He is only pouring his recast material over in one day.


Do you se the difference?


What is the difference in the Original Mona Lisa and a copy print.
What is the difference in the labour of painting the Mona Lisa vs printing a copy?
What is the difference in price of the Original Mona Lisa Vs a print.


More important how do you value the individual artist arround you.
How do you value the individual artistic members of this board?
And what is the reason for you membership on this board? To rake of the fellow members creative time and labour or to value their time and labour?

Nice shot bro thumbsup

John has spoke up for us, so guys pls stop buying recast item .