Is Darth Vader's saber blade painted (ANH) & blade flexing.
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Weirdest fetish video ever.
Got me laughing out loud on that one
Mouse Vader
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Flatterer .
kpax
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I would think a balsa wood rod would snap from simply a quick movement let alone contact.
As for spinning, I would think the rod and attachment would need to be perfectly centered or the tip would wobble wildly. A 3 foot rod off center by only a few millimeters at the base would cause a huge wobble at the tip. The lightsaber rods don’t seem to move much and remain essentially straight.
As for spinning, I would think the rod and attachment would need to be perfectly centered or the tip would wobble wildly. A 3 foot rod off center by only a few millimeters at the base would cause a huge wobble at the tip. The lightsaber rods don’t seem to move much and remain essentially straight.
I can attest... it does need to be dead on center
kpax
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Weirdest fetish video ever.
Nice. Thanks for the test. Yours seem a bit thicker than the film versions but I guess they could survive contact. And the ANH fight wasn’t terribly aggressive.
Mouse Vader
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My video post is bottom of pg2, so you may have missed my comments there. These rods are as they arrived 16mm untapered. I will be doing 'proper' tests once I have a motorised hilt & have tapered, painted & scotchlited blades. Tapered blades will start from 16mm diam base.
Mouse Vader
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There has been something niggling me in this thread since post #46 about whether the V2 emitter rotates in ANH. I checked haliwax's ref's but couldn't see one way or the other but I was sure I'd seen something, while looking for something else, where the emitter wasn't moving. I've found out where now - 'birth of the lightsaber' Ytube vid from 8.52 on you can see the emitter face - there are marks near the edge, notably at the bottom, that remain still despite OB1 moving the hilt about & if you go frame by frame it's clear the blade is rotating. I've strung a few frames together to show this - look for where the cursor is pointing for the mark.
So this is evidence that V2 emitter didn't move for ANH? if so are we sure it moves on the prop as it is now? if so how did that happen?
or is this not the V2?
So this is evidence that V2 emitter didn't move for ANH? if so are we sure it moves on the prop as it is now? if so how did that happen?
or is this not the V2?
JunkSabers1138
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DUDE! I was JUST having this nagging feeling just the other day when I was looking at ALL available reference for the stunt blades, and whilst watching the clip of Obi saying the "You cant win/If you strike me down" line I noticed the little white mark NOT moving on the emitter and Alec's hand choked up upon the emitter, which would have prevented rotation anyway due to the friction/pressure involved, and yet the blade IS flickering with the black stripe as if it WERE spinning. HhhhWHUT!?!?!
Definitely an eye opening moment and I was worried I was either just seeing things or if it was an artifact present in the film, but I wanted to wait until someone else noticed this to make sure I wasn't crazy!
Very tantalizing... just goes to show that the more the learn about these things, the more we realize how little we truly know after all.
JunkSabers1138
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That said, if you look at the Obi solo shots of the tail end of their fight outside of the hangar bay, I DO believe I can see the full emitter spinning, but it's too small in the frame to make a definitive judgment call
Mara Jade's Father
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Isn’t that white mark on the top of the Faux cane area?
kpax
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Sorry, this is not my area of expertise but what is the reasoning that the blade rotates? Aren't the blades rotoscoped and "painted" with movement. The only thing I remember anyone saying about the blades was that they were covered with reflective material similar to projection screen s that the camera would pick up the correct position and perspective.
If the bade is rotoscoped or painted over wouldn't this obscure the real blade as was the intention? Isn't the rotation or spin just a painted artifact?
What would a spinning blade do except break ? ; )
Excuse my lack of knowledge...
Mouse Vader
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Sorry I don't know what you mean by 'Faux cane area'. Screen grabs below show the same mark which is clearly on the emitter face.
Which is why I'm only dealing with the cited clip, which is pretty clear. There are similar marks at app. 9 &11 o'clock.
Mara Jade's Father
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That was a typo. Faux "Vane". Meaning on the hero version, the area that is the spinning vane of the grenade section (but does not spin on the prop).
Mara Jade's Father
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If some of the old "making of" videos are true. The idea was that the rotating blades with alternating reflective material were going to be the complete in camera effect. However once they saw it on film, Lucas thought it looked like spinning rods with reflective material on them rather than a blade of light energy. So then they decided to rotoscope it. Something like that.
If there is a shot or two in there where the emitter (i.e. the replica balance pipe) is spinning, then I haven't spotted it. In 4K it's very clear that marks and highlights are dead still. The "nipple" (or blade sleeve as I call it) on the other hand, is definitely spinning.
Kpax: Obi-Wan's blade is definitely spinning, which is why there are wires running up Alec Guinness' sleeve and the blade flickers. Vader's is not spinning and does not flicker.
Kpax: Obi-Wan's blade is definitely spinning, which is why there are wires running up Alec Guinness' sleeve and the blade flickers. Vader's is not spinning and does not flicker.
Mouse Vader
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Kpax
There is lots of good evidence that the stunt sabers in ANH had motors that rotated the blade. If you watch the above mentioned video from app. 3.05 you can here the motors. There is a black stripe on the blade (as well as reflective material) that, interacting with the frame rate of the camera, produces flicker. This can be seen at 3.05 & 4.40 same vid.
Because G.Lucas didn't like how this turned out, trouble with hilts & blades & because you could only film this effect from limited angles it was decided to overlay rotoscoping. Lucas liked this so much the motorised blade was dumped for ESB which also saw the demise of the reflective material.
We're all here to learn, I knew nothing about lightsabers a few weeks ago, I've been on a very steep curve.
There is lots of good evidence that the stunt sabers in ANH had motors that rotated the blade. If you watch the above mentioned video from app. 3.05 you can here the motors. There is a black stripe on the blade (as well as reflective material) that, interacting with the frame rate of the camera, produces flicker. This can be seen at 3.05 & 4.40 same vid.
Because G.Lucas didn't like how this turned out, trouble with hilts & blades & because you could only film this effect from limited angles it was decided to overlay rotoscoping. Lucas liked this so much the motorised blade was dumped for ESB which also saw the demise of the reflective material.
We're all here to learn, I knew nothing about lightsabers a few weeks ago, I've been on a very steep curve.
Mara Jade's Father
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Using a picture of the Luke Return of the Jedi V2, I am illustrating where I think you see the white spot. It believe it is on one of the two sections I've marked. I believe that the angle you are viewing from your screen shots is in such a way that the angle plus low lighting makes it look very close to the emitter from that perspective.
Mouse Vader
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See my full screen grabs - Alec G has his hand fully over the 'weather vane', marks are on the emitter face.
