Lets talk all things Star Wars

[greenmachines]

What is art and who is a creator of that art?

This has now become a thread with content more suited to the deep, cerebral thinking of Star Trek vs Star Wars.

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Someone needs to steer this thread back into the simple arena of space explosions, space wizards, blasters, and laser swords…oh yeah, and Disney sucks.

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I will grab this wheel, as it spins out of control, and point us safely to: give us your non toxic Blue Milk recipes.... come on, bring it, no friggin blue lake 40

When I was a kidlet, we had bluberry milk from count chocula or some other silly monster. Can't remember what it was.

 

[Psab keel]

I can understand you being creeped out.

But making AI images isn't entirely devoid of creativity. Sure, any bozo can whip out images with random terms, but there's also a small touch of subtlety in how you can prompt the AI for more nuance.

In order to generate that one image I had to pull in both concrete and abstract references that the AI could extrapolate into lighting, mood, gesture and form. There's also a lot of trial and error in learning how to apply your AI prompts, if you are going for a kind of image. For instance, if I just prompted "pretty girl with an open blouse" I would probably get something more generic or ridiculous. If I am too specific (e.g. "she's looking to the right with her left arm raised. She is standing by a window. It is morning. ...") I might get some weird and horrific images.

But if you can insert abstract terms that describe, say mood or emotion, you can direct the AI to conjure some nice (and surprising) images.

Is AI image prompting art? That depends on how you choose to define it. Once upon a time they said the same thing about CGI.

I used to do illustration and graphic design. I can tell you that generating good AI images is simply a different set of tools requiring a different set of skills.




And Claudine is 24 years old.

Except in order to create entire images from a few text prompts, whether the language is creative or not, it's skimming the internet and using existing images of both real people and works of art created by human beings (most of which are used without consent or compensation) to generate new images. That's theft.

I don't know of a single artist's tool that can do that with a few keystrokes. Even a paintbrush requires a human hand with intention to use it.

I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative. I just have very strong objections to AI being considered art. I have other objections to it for some other applications as well, but I'll refrain from commenting on those topics further.

 

[greenmachines]

Ready? Set?

 

[Ron]

I can understand you being creeped out.

But making AI images isn't entirely devoid of creativity. Sure, any bozo can whip out images with random terms, but there's also a small touch of subtlety in how you can prompt the AI for more nuance.

In order to generate that one image I had to pull in both concrete and abstract references that the AI could extrapolate into lighting, mood, gesture and form. There's also a lot of trial and error in learning how to apply your AI prompts, if you are going for a kind of image. For instance, if I just prompted "pretty girl with an open blouse" I would probably get something more generic or ridiculous. If I am too specific (e.g. "she's looking to the right with her left arm raised. She is standing by a window. It is morning. ...") I might get some weird and horrific images.

But if you can insert abstract terms that describe, say mood or emotion, you can direct the AI to conjure some nice (and surprising) images.

Is AI image prompting art? That depends on how you choose to define it. Once upon a time they said the same thing about CGI.

I used to do illustration and graphic design. I can tell you that generating good AI images is simply a different set of tools requiring a different set of skills.




And Claudine is 24 years old.

Is Claudine into Star Wars? Asking for a friend.

 

[CopperRevan]

What is art and who is a creator of that art?

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Someone needs to steer this thread back into the simple arena of space explosions, space wizards, blasters, and laser swords…oh yeah, and Disney sucks.

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Ok, fine!!!

 

[greenmachines]

Is Claudine into Star Wars? Asking for a friend.

No but she is "into" glass

 

[greenmachines]

OK, my serious question: When Rose stops FN from driving into the giant cannon on the salt planet, couldn't he have at least just bailed out or jumped over to her speeder? And no, I can't stomach having a convo about rose's defeatist statement after. Just curious if I am that far off the mark. If she was willing to crash his speeder at freakishly high speeds by slamming into him, couldn't he have just jumped out and survived that too?

 

[CopperRevan]

Forget it...have fun guys

 

[Astyanax]

OK, my serious question: When Rose stops FN from driving into the giant cannon on the salt planet, couldn't he have at least just bailed out or jumped over to her speeder? And no, I can't stomach having a convo about rose's defeatist statement after. Just curious if I am that far off the mark. If she was willing to crash his speeder at freakishly high speeds by slamming into him, couldn't he have just jumped out and survived that too?

Sorry bro, my Star Wars apologetics don't extend to the ST. What you described was one of the lesser plot holes.

 

[greenmachines]

Ok, fine!!!
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I always thought that if Plagewhooi was so wise, why doesn't he come back as a force ghost and tell everyone Palp is a sith?

 

[NakedMoleRat]

I always thought that if Plagewhooi was so wise, why doesn't he come back as a force ghost and tell everyone Palp is a sith?

What I used to believe before Disney took over, was that the stark difference between the dark side and the light side of the force was simply this, if you tap into the light side, you do not have or are able to use as much power, but when you die, you can live on. If you tap into the dark side, you get all the power while you’re alive, but when you’re gone, you’re gone.

 

[batguy]

What I used to believe before Disney took over, was that the stark difference between the dark side and the light side of the force was simply this, if you tap into the light side, you do not have or are able to use as much power, but when you die, you can live on. If you tap into the dark side, you get all the power while you’re alive, but when you’re gone, you’re gone.

Ohhh, that's good. (And it clarifies whether Palpatine can somehow 'return.')

But where does it leave Anakin? He must have cashed out most of his soul's equity during his life. Is there any consequence for that in the afterlife?

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Ohhh, that's good. (And it clarifies whether Palpatine can somehow 'return.')

But where does it leave Anakin? He must have cashed out most of his soul's equity during his life. Is there any consequence for that in the afterlife?

It seems that his last minute conversion and sacrifice welcomed him back to the light.

 

[Astyanax]

It seems that his last minute conversion and sacrifice welcomed him back to the light.

Deathbed confession, eh? Well, Luke did sense there was still good in him...

 

[dascoyne]

I will grab this wheel, as it spins out of control, and point us safely to: give us your non toxic Blue Milk recipes.... come on, bring it, no friggin blue lake 40

 

[edge10]

Unless you are a recaster, of course

Being a recaster is equivalent to putting an Old Master's painting on Xerox machine.

 

[Astyanax]

What I used to believe before Disney took over, was that the stark difference between the dark side and the light side of the force was simply this, if you tap into the light side, you do not have or are able to use as much power, but when you die, you can live on. If you tap into the dark side, you get all the power while you’re alive, but when you’re gone, you’re gone.

Yeah, I think that's not terribly far off. In canon, I believe that ability has to do with the user's relationship to the Force. For a Light Side user to live on after death, they must learn how to give themselves over completely to the Cosmic Force. A Dark Sider could never do that. Dark Side users bend the Force to their will, and "forcibly" possess an object. There's no giving, only taking.

As a result, any Dark Siders that live on after death have only been able to do so by imbuing their essence into objects. (I am omitting the ST, which is not canon. It's not it's not it's not.)

We can see an example of this essence possession in Season 6 of Clone Wars, when Yoda encounters the spirit of Darth Bane (voice by Mark Hamill), which has inhabited Bane's tomb on Moraband:



(This is pre-Disney canon, by the way.)

 

[janglesworthy]

Didn't GL state in an interview when Sith die, they are dead no blue glowy status. That is why they fight so much harder than a Jedi to stay alive.

 

[pengbuzz]

Didn't GL state in an interview when Sith die, they are dead no blue glowy status. That is why they fight so much harder than a Jedi to stay alive.

I thought it was just because they're a bunch of @-holes.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

I thought it was just because they're a bunch of @-holes.

Well played. You just won the argument.