More details on the Vader ROTJ saber - Please archive

[Brevin Din-Shay]

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If it is, then it is missing the Shroud.
But I am not convinced that it is, just a possibility for now.

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I'm convinced.

2 reasons:

1. The shroud could have been attached for cosmetic reasons after filming.

2. All other visible aspects seem to line up without a hitch.

 

[Johnleprekan]

Agreed. The only difference I see are differences in length of parts of it.

 

[Oohyeah KL]

OK, this is not about Vader's saber, but speaking of grip spacing, this Luke ESB looks like it had 7 grips!!!!

That spacing is NOT 6-grip spacing!!

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. Back to the Vader ROTJ discussion now...

btw, nice catch, Kenny! I think they could indeed have been the one and same saber.

 

[Johnleprekan]

Oh you bas****, that's going to be argued forever now. Just kidding.

Who made the Vader ROTJ anyway? That might solve some of the problems.

 

[fried mon calamari]

I guess I'm going to get to be the troublemaker on this one.

I'm looking at these shots and I'm having trouble finding the basis of saying the thrown saber is either one. The details are so fuzzy, I could paint a piece of wood

and it would look like the screen caps.

What I do see is the plug port in the thrown saber looks lower than on the bladed ESB stunt ( #4)- even taking into account the angle- and the grip distance in #1 is similar to the non-bladed ESB (#5), but the rest (2 & 3) look wider. This could just be from the "motion smear" in the shots, though.

Also, in none of the screen caps do I see the side hex bolt that's visible in the bladed ESB.

I know, there's one in every crowd!

 

[lonepigeon]

I think the thrown one was a resin stunt, no blade.
It really doesn't need to be in this thread though.
Why would you ever throw one WITH a blade like that? You wouldn't want to hit Hamill and break his nose again. Chances are a bladed saber would hit the railing and fall back instead of flying past and looking like it cut through.

My guess is that the Vader ROTJ was saber #4 in the above pic, but #5 is also a possiblity.

There is one other stunt that could have survived 'til ROTJ:
http://www.partsofsw.com/lsdvsab_stunt.htm
Since it's not a real Graflex there's no way it's the DV ROTJ, but it could be some other stunt.

I thought the "'bolt" in the shroud of the DV ROTJ was a slotted screw with a nut on it. I'll have to double check, I got a pic around here somewhere.

 

[DARTH SABER]

Yeah, I though teh black bolt was also something else until someone said the head wasnt hex shaped but rather smooth round...like a cylinder..

 

[obi1kenny]

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I thought the "'bolt" in the shroud of the DV ROTJ was a slotted screw with a nut on it. I'll have to double check, I got a pic around here somewhere.
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Are we talking about the front D-ring cylinder here?

If so, it is a round cylinder, with a smaller cylinder on top of it. Now if it was actually a bolt at one time, maybe a socket head cap screw or something that they modified. Well it's all possible, as they could have filled it all in and added a ton of paint on top of it to make it look solid. But to me it looks like some kind of misc. found part that they slapped on. Here some pics for ya.

And hereÂ’s a pic of the nut and washers from the underside. I use an 8-32 set-screw on my replica with a standard #8 washer and nut.

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Finally, Kenny, thanks for confirming the flat shank question. Anyone know if there's actually a tire valve with a flattened shank? Why would they grind one down? The column seems to fit into the port hole just fine without altering it.
KD
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No problem.
The part did not originally have a flat on the one side, you can tell from examining a few different pics that it was ground, by hand probably, so that it would fit into that slot. Or maybe it was ground before hand, as it is just a found part that was sitting around. But from looking at the pics that have been posted you will see that the side that is ground, has been ground almost too thin and it about to break into the threaded section on the inside of the wall. Well, thatÂ’s my take on it anyhow.

 

[Brevin Din-Shay]

Let's see...I'm also curious about the exact meaning of this part:

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lonepigeon wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
I thought the "'bolt" in the shroud of the DV ROTJ was a slotted screw with a nut on it. I'll have to double check, I got a pic around here somewhere.
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Are we talking about the front D-ring cylinder here?
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I'm sure Chris isn't talking about the thumbscrew...it gets confusing sometimes because some people call the ENTIRE black part of the Graflex at the top the "shroud," along with the added part.

At any rate, you guys must've missed this waaaay back when I posted it on May 4.

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- The top D-ring assembly looks in some pics to have a flat-head screw on top. Again, gloppy paint may be playing tricks on our eyes. If it is not a screw or bolt, where do the threads for attaching it come from? Nobody has addressed this yet in this thread, so I thought I'd toss it out there.</TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

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lonepigeon wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
I think the thrown one was a resin stunt, no blade.
It really doesn't need to be in this thread though.
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Interesting, Chris...a resin Vader ROTJ? Never heard of a screen-used one until just now.

As for saying it doesn't need to be in this thread, why not? We're exploring ALL possibilities, right?

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Why would you ever throw one WITH a blade like that? You wouldn't want to hit Hamill and break his nose again.
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Hmmmm...good point.

Killdozer: The red part in the top D-ring assembly has long been a mystery, even since the days of Wada Yado's tutorial.


KL: Don't know what to tell ya about the grips, except that it may have been a converted ANH saber!

 

[obi1kenny]

That reminds me that I have been thinking it would be great to here from Scott (Wada Yado) on this thread. David you should Email him a link and see if he has time to stop by.


And you must have missed what I said before you said it too.

 

[Brevin Din-Shay]

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That reminds me that I have been thinking it would be great to here from Scott (Wada Yado) on this thread. David you should Email him a link and see if he has time to stop by.


And you must have missed what I said before you said it too.

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Ken,

Yeah, I missed your comment on this earlier. It's a long thread - we must be cautious!

As for Scott: Since this thread has "taken off," I have spoken to him once on the phone, and e-mailed him 3 times. He knows it's here, and he knows the link.
Life's been fairly unkind to him lately, so keep him in your thoughts. He wants to participate, but...

BTW, you probably didn't read my edited FIRST post on this thread. It's dedicated to him.

Edit: Bump for the night crew...

 

[lonepigeon]

What's the diameter of the red (D-ring) piece?
My first guess was a red piece from the V-8 model kit, but I can't find anything the right size.

I double checked and the fastener running through the red piece IS a flat head slotted screw (with a washer and nut on the other side). The slot runs from about 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock (with saber pointed up). It's filled in a little with gobs of paint like everything else.
To clarify that's NOT a two step red piece. The smaller bit on top is the screw head.
I thought this was well know or I would've spoke up long ago.

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<img src=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lonepigeon/rotj_screw.jpg>

Killdozer- you'd never be able to synchronize a pyro effect with a blade on the saber. The blade is supposed to cut through the rail, a solid rod won't do that it'd just bounce back to the ground. It would be impossible to throw it and make everything line up.

 

[Brevin Din-Shay]

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What's the diameter of the red (D-ring) piece?
My first guess was a red piece from the V-8 model kit, but I can't find anything the right size.
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As for the best estimated diameter of this piece, I'd check with Ken.

I had no idea you suspected it was from the V-8 model kit - but then again, it wouldn't come as a huge surprise. Just seems that it would be a little weak as a functional part there, IMO.

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I double checked and the fastener running through the red piece IS a flat head slotted screw (with a washer and nut on the other side). The slot runs from about 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock (with saber pointed up). It's filled in a little with gobs of paint like everything else.
To clarify that's NOT a two step red piece. The smaller bit on top is the screw head.
I thought this was well know or I would've spoke up long ago.

Edit: added pic.
<img src=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lonepigeon/rotj_screw.jpg>
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Great! We have confirmation then, it seems.
No, according to EVERYTHING I've read (ranging from archived threads to tutorials and e-mails with such masters of this saber as Wada Yado and SinkTube Jedi), it was NEVER confirmed that this piece was indeed a flat-head screw. Just suspected.

Nice pic, Chris! That's some of the freshest material I've seen generated from this saber in ages.

 

[fried mon calamari]

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I double checked and the fastener running through the red piece IS a flat head slotted screw (with a washer and nut on the other side). The slot runs from about 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock (with saber pointed up). It's filled in a little with gobs of paint like everything else.
To clarify that's NOT a two step red piece. The smaller bit on top is the screw head.
I thought this was well know or I would've spoke up long ago.

Edit: added pic.
<img src=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lonepigeon/rotj_screw.jpg>

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Crap

, and I just finished that part too! So, now we're looking for a round diameter, flat head slotted screw?

It doesn't look like it has hex sides that are filled in, so does someone know what kind of screw this is? I'm not familiar with it.

Edit- better?

 

[Brevin Din-Shay]

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fried mon calamari wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Crap

, and I just finished that part too! So, now we're looking for a round diameter, flat head slotted screw?

It doesn't look like it has hex sides that are filled in, so does someone know what kind of screw this is? I'm not familiar with it.
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It's not a hex-head bolt, Chris...but like you, I'm curious as to what the exact piece might be (probably metric).

BTW, fix yer quote tags on the previous thread!!!

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

I have the entire scan, but it is too big for wackychimp to host.

 

[obi1kenny]

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What's the diameter of the red (D-ring) piece?
My first guess was a red piece from the V-8 model kit, but I can't find anything the right size.

I double checked and the fastener running through the red piece IS a flat head slotted screw (with a washer and nut on the other side). The slot runs from about 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock (with saber pointed up). It's filled in a little with gobs of paint like everything else.
To clarify that's NOT a two step red piece. The smaller bit on top is the screw head.
I thought this was well know or I would've spoke up long ago.

Edit: added pic.
<img src=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lonepigeon/rotj_screw.jpg>


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Great pic! I have never seen a straight on top view of this part before.

I get about .5" on the diameter of the cylinder and about .25" on the head.

So I guess we are talking about the same thing as the control sloted screw. It may be a screw but it is filled in with a lot of paint to where is looks flat or solid in most pics.

 

[steveday72]

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lonepigeon wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
What's the diameter of the red (D-ring) piece?
My first guess was a red piece from the V-8 model kit, but I can't find anything the right size.

I double checked and the fastener running through the red piece IS a flat head slotted screw (with a washer and nut on the other side). The slot runs from about 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock (with saber pointed up). It's filled in a little with gobs of paint like everything else.
To clarify that's NOT a two step red piece. The smaller bit on top is the screw head.
I thought this was well know or I would've spoke up long ago.

Edit: added pic.
<img src=http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lonepigeon/rotj_screw.jpg>

Killdozer- you'd never be able to synchronize a pyro effect with a blade on the saber. The blade is supposed to cut through the rail, a solid rod won't do that it'd just bounce back to the ground. It would be impossible to throw it and make everything line up.



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Great pic Chris.

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I see the same as Kenny when I measure from a hi-res scan, rather than the odd-angled images.

The cylinder measures 0.5" in diameter X 3/8" (0.375") high.

The bolt seems to have a 6mm head - if it was a pan head, it would be an M3 size.


Steve



PS: there's definitely some kind of join in the bottom tube, next to the activator assembly. It's visible on some other photos and hi-res scans I have.

 

[Darf Vader]

I know this will sound crazy:

Could it be a Graflite with a black clamp?


It looks like it has 4 holes near the top.

 

[Brevin Din-Shay]

James: Great closeup of that pic! I've only seen the smaller sized one, like I used in my first post.

Darf: Good question...I have no idea, but I bet Lonepigeon does.

Going back to something discussed earlier now - I've been thinking more and more about this, especially since Killdozer pretty much pinpointed that the "port plug" has only ONE flat side on the stem.

Steve's pic of the one he used:

Steve, if you have any frontal views of this valve, I'd love to see them!
Please don't tell me my eyes are playing tricks on me...it sure looks like you have a flat edge on the stem.

When that discussion began, I told DS that I didn't think it was the right part because of the small hole. Well...they aren't all the same, I'm sure.

Pics he found again:

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Well, I found this as far as tire valves for the silver button...I believe its for a motorcycle..

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Maybe this IS the part, after all. We just need to find the correct model (or most similar) now.