MR Fett

[Art Andrews]

Originally posted by soltic@Feb 15 2006, 07:34 PM

PP3 = Preproduction? Is this the one that was in private hands?

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No. The PP3 is at the archives as TD pointed out. The PP2 is the helmet that is in private hands.

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[Durasteel Corporation]

Cancel the red alert... 

yeah I thought you guys would catch that



Frankly the price is whats gonna be the factor. I cant see this thing going for any less than 6 at least, especially with the paint job.

Anyone want to wager on the price?

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

Sorry if i've come into this thread late but according to the Rebelscum forum, moffeatons did the paint job on the proto.

As that would have had a hand painted finish, whats the likelyhood MR could create a production version as good? (thats not a rhetorical question btw as I really dont know)

Given the price of the clones I would have thought MR would be looking for a similar price point, i.e. $450-$500, and maybe get Jeremy B to do a SE version for $700-$800?

Cheers

Jez

 

[Durasteel Corporation]

But clones are a much more simple paint job. And in general, a simpler helmet. (there are moving parts on old Fetty remember

 

[moffeaton]

Look at the AT-AT and the Snowspeeder. They replicated things really well.

 

[RKW]

If ever there was going to be an MR helmet recast I can see this being the one unfortunately. It's going to be good bye MS1/2, Bobamaker etc and hello MR. Unless of course MR goes the DP route and just puts too many errors into it making it too much effort to fix.

 

[Durasteel Corporation]

Unless of course MR goes the DP route and just puts too many errors into it making it too much effort to fix.

oh I wouldnt say that about the DP route... Just gotta know what was done to it first....then how to carefully reconstruct. My fett helmet project rather reminds me of some of those archeologists searching in the jungles of central and south america...they find a clue, a key, the tip of a tower so they keep digging deeper and or peeling away vines. Its there, just gotta ask yourself: did they add or subtract. Thats where it gets a bit mind numbing and why I break for a month or two in between a week or two of working on it. ....and why its been a friggin four year long project which Ill probably finish when Im 90. :lol

 

[DarthWillie]

From the photo's the biggest problem seems te be that it's too clean. It looks like a new helmet, with painted damage. I'll wait to see what te definit version looks like.

 

[DL 44 Blaster]

I questioned this over at TDH before the thread was yanked :rolleyes ...so I'll ask again. Was,or is it known whether the FIRST ESB painted helmet was the HERO helmet that was used on screen and is currently on tour?

The level of intricate and immense detail seems to reside on this helmet alone and the subsequent ESB helmets seem to be all painted from this "master" therefore much less detail is evident to the keen eye.

Again,it just seems this way to me and was wondering if this is the case or if it is even known. IF that IS the case why wasn't someone flown to access this HERO helmet for photos.,inspection,etc. for recreation of this paintjob rather than a lesser quality version of the original??....I won't even go into the crack/fix/flare thing that has become synonymous with the ESB helmet

Steve

 

[Tyler Durden]

Nope, the helmet at AOSW and tour is the "hero" helmet from ESB.

It's unclear which was painted first: the ESB Hero or the Preproduction three. I think we assume the preproduction three was painted first because we see it in development in Chronicles and not the ESB. However, that doesn't mean the ESB wasn't already painted.

And yes, both the ESB and Prepro three are painted with an amazing amount similarity, so obviously one was intended to the match the other.

 

[DL 44 Blaster]

Tyler,I was clear on the ESB tour helmet being the same ESB Hero helmet from on screen.....I just wish we knew which one was painted first. The brow scratch is on a more angle downward on the PP3 amongst some other key scratches. Without high res. pics of the PP3 I just can't tell which has more detail. I would presume that whichever one has the greater detail was the "master".

Does anyone have high res. pics of the PP3?

Steve

 

[Tyler Durden]

Originally posted by DL 44 Blaster@Feb 16 2006, 04:53 PM
I just wish we knew which one was painted first. The brow scratch is on a more angle downward on the PP3 amongst some other key scratches. Without high res. pics of the PP3 I just can't tell which has more detail. I would presume that whichever one has the greater detail was the "master".

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I believe you will find that both helmets share exactly the same amount of detail, or as close as you can get with such a paintjob. It's pretty clear they were intended to be equals at the very least. The ESB-style stunt helmets show a huge loss of detail in the paint work, and you just don't see that kind of of drop-off between the ESB and Prepro 3.

 

[Art Andrews]

I agree with TD, these helmets were meant to be interchangable and should both be considered to have "hero" paint jobs, unlike the ESB stunts. I would liken comparing the ESB Hero and the PP3 to comparing the RotJ chest/ab armor at Mom to the RotJ chest/ab armor at AoSW.

 

[Jango_Fett_Jr]

Yep, they are remarkably similar, especially to the untrained eye. To anyone else, these helmets would be considered identical. However as far as I can tell the ESB Hero is the only one that appears on screen and in promotional photos for ESB.

 

[soltic]

Is it me, or do these new pictures show absolutely NO helmet flare at all :confused ...

http://www.rebelscum.com/tf2006/tf06-MRbobafett/default.asp


I mean the sides look absolutely perpindicular to me......

After all this time could those that always suggested that it was the camera focal length yaddah yaddah was the culprit all along were right?? That the actual lid had no flare???

Hmmmm......

 

[Art Andrews]

Again, Keep in mind this was NOT scanned from the ESB Hero that is seen at AOSW. The ESB Hero at AoSW is the helmet that is attributed with having flare. However, I believe the flare is only a SLIGHT difference and it has been blown WAY out of proportion over the years until people have a vision in their head of the jedi helmet being squished and pinched while the ESB is almsot bell shaped. This simply is not a reality. While the PP3 is painted like the ESB Hero, the shape is slightly different. There is some evidence that the ESB Hero seen at AoSW took some servere damage and was repaired in both the back and front, unintentionally giving it a SLIGHT amount more flare than the typical Fett helmet. Let me say that again... the ESB is NOT typical. It is the oddball, not the other way around.

 

[DL 44 Blaster]

Originally posted by Brak's Buddy@Feb 17 2006, 02:22 PM
Let me say that again... the ESB is NOT typical.  It is the oddball, not the other way around.

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Hey...us ESB'ers take offense to comments like that

Steve

 

[Durasteel Corporation]

However, I believe the flare is only a SLIGHT difference and it has been blown WAY out of proportion over the years until people have a vision in their head of the jedi helmet being squished and pinched while the ESB is almsot bell shaped.

Believe it or not BB, I agree. I used to think otherwise based on a few of those ESB promo shows in which Fett is photographed from the vantage below the helmet, making it seem super wide. Its the deluxe that was squashed all to hell.

The flare might be better described as the "angle of the sides" because flare sorta suggests an outward curving.

Did a little sketch to explain the basic reason why the deluxe looks smaller....and why the sides and which helps to elaborate more on what BB was saying about the flare. ITS A SKETCH GUYS.....not drawn to perfect proportions ....if the flat top didnt suggest it

 

[RKW]

Does the PP3 have the wavy brow or was that unique to the hero?

Will MR even retain it if it does exist?

 

[Durasteel Corporation]

THer hero has the wavy brow....as if to say: