Recast Alert
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rocketeer25
Sr Member
Guys,
The staff just recieved this email. For what it's worth, I had already edited out the full names in the first post. I've also edited out the full name in the email below.
The staff just recieved this email. For what it's worth, I had already edited out the full names in the first post. I've also edited out the full name in the email below.
obi1kenny
Sr Member
IÂ’m not taking sides here and I havenÂ’t looked at the evidence. But just from doing a little reading here, I really have to ask myself this one question first:
If this guy is making his own armor from his own sculpts then why did he buy a set of Hi Impact armor to begin with?
If this guy is making his own armor from his own sculpts then why did he buy a set of Hi Impact armor to begin with?
WebChief
Sr Member
I have no stake in this conversation but feel its totally wrong to name someone as a recaster without absolute proof of it. Its basically slander. The guy's name couild be turned to mud for what might turn out to be nothing.
Seems that in order to cry recasting positive undenyable proof should be presented first. You haven't done that. In the two pics that you provided I can see similarities and differences.
Seems like in the hopes of stopping recasters people are almost on a witch hunt.... many innocent people could be hurt by potentially false accusations.
Also seems to me that if someone suspects a recaster they should present clear evidence to the RPF staff before calling out someone for the world to see.
What I do know is that Azman makes some AMAZING resin R2 parts.... Since he's such a great prop builder why would he have the need to recast?
Just my two cents. Bash away.
Seems that in order to cry recasting positive undenyable proof should be presented first. You haven't done that. In the two pics that you provided I can see similarities and differences.
Seems like in the hopes of stopping recasters people are almost on a witch hunt.... many innocent people could be hurt by potentially false accusations.
Also seems to me that if someone suspects a recaster they should present clear evidence to the RPF staff before calling out someone for the world to see.
What I do know is that Azman makes some AMAZING resin R2 parts.... Since he's such a great prop builder why would he have the need to recast?
Just my two cents. Bash away.
Sorry I've been quiet during this, lots going on right now.
This issue has not been a "cut & dried" case, there has been a strong argument from both sides.
I have been dealing with this since the beginning, and I know Division 6 and Venture and the rest of the Hi-impact guys are VERY bitter about this, but it has NOT been swept under by the 501st, just bogged down in the bureaucracy and overshadowed by other issues.
If it were solely up to the RPF community, what would be needed in order to make a final determination ?
Personally, I agree that a side-by-side comparison seems to be the only way to resolve this.
This issue has not been a "cut & dried" case, there has been a strong argument from both sides.
I have been dealing with this since the beginning, and I know Division 6 and Venture and the rest of the Hi-impact guys are VERY bitter about this, but it has NOT been swept under by the 501st, just bogged down in the bureaucracy and overshadowed by other issues.
If it were solely up to the RPF community, what would be needed in order to make a final determination ?
Personally, I agree that a side-by-side comparison seems to be the only way to resolve this.
rigormortis
Well-Known Member
To my knowledge it was presented to the Legion Council Tribunal by both CO's and it was determined that with the evidence provided by both sides, it was not a recast, but apparently MC disagrees with the decision.
I have offered to present the same evidence to the RPF staff (as submitted by my CO), but have not gotten a response.
Honestly, if showing pics of the buildup and bucks to one group was not enough, what's the point of retrying this on each and every board MC belongs to? Now that's a witch hunt.
Enoughs enough, IMHO. If MC wishes to smear Az's name all over creation, so be it. But at least let sanity prevail here, as I have requested the RPF staff to do.
God forbid if I ever offer props to the community again, I'll have to capture the process in time-lapse photography to PROVE I didn't rip anyone off. Hence the reason I've dropped several potential projects I've thought of doing. It's just not worth it anymore.
It's bad enough that you try to research and develop something, take the time to do it right, then get busted left and right for not being accurate, being too accurate, or your stuff looks like mine. Yeah, all our stuff looks the same - we're all going for accuracy to what was on screen.
Personally, I'm done adding my 2 cents either way. If the RPF staff wishes to discuss it further, I'm always available by PM.
I have offered to present the same evidence to the RPF staff (as submitted by my CO), but have not gotten a response.
Honestly, if showing pics of the buildup and bucks to one group was not enough, what's the point of retrying this on each and every board MC belongs to? Now that's a witch hunt.
Enoughs enough, IMHO. If MC wishes to smear Az's name all over creation, so be it. But at least let sanity prevail here, as I have requested the RPF staff to do.
God forbid if I ever offer props to the community again, I'll have to capture the process in time-lapse photography to PROVE I didn't rip anyone off. Hence the reason I've dropped several potential projects I've thought of doing. It's just not worth it anymore.
It's bad enough that you try to research and develop something, take the time to do it right, then get busted left and right for not being accurate, being too accurate, or your stuff looks like mine. Yeah, all our stuff looks the same - we're all going for accuracy to what was on screen.
Personally, I'm done adding my 2 cents either way. If the RPF staff wishes to discuss it further, I'm always available by PM.
Skaught
Sr Member
I bought some Fett gauntlets from someone, but I think I can do better, so I'm going to try. I don't think the seller of the original gauntlets should have any grounds to accuse me of recasting as a result.
I also bought an X-Wing pressure vest from a well known prop maker. I decided I could do better and I did. I made several and sold them. Of course, I didn't recast the vest.
Scott
There were actually 3 Co's involved, since Division 6 belongs to a different Garrison than Venture. I personally did not determine that it was not a recast, just that there was not enough compelling evidence either way. I don't recall that any official decision was ever reached.
The only reason it was brought to the 501st, is that the original pictures used for the sale of the armor was hosted on the MG garrison's web site.
After speaking with Venture ( MC ) this morning, I think that this issue is best decided here, not the 501st. I believe the RPF community has much better judgment and experience than the 501st in this case.
The only reason it was brought to the 501st, is that the original pictures used for the sale of the armor was hosted on the MG garrison's web site.
After speaking with Venture ( MC ) this morning, I think that this issue is best decided here, not the 501st. I believe the RPF community has much better judgment and experience than the 501st in this case.
Jedirick
Sr Member
I had not mentioned this before but, unless I met them as part of the 501 group at Dragoncon, I do not know any of these people from Adam.
Sadly it appears this recast issue appears to have been flawed from first post in the thread.
I was hoping a case of recasting could be determined with just a side by side comparison but now evidentially it appears some claims as to source have been let's say, embellished. Plus from what I can determine it now appears the origin of the armor in question has not been established. Has AZ indicated the pictured armor is his work?
Until the origin of the armor in question has been determined, even a side by side comparison is rather fruitless. Hypothetically at this juncture we could be talking about 3 sets of armor MC's, Az's and the set in question. Furthermore IMO if the plaintiff is emotionally moved to the point of making unsubstantiated claims as to origin, what else may be clouded in presentation by jumping to conclusion?
Are these some of the reasons a satisfactory decision has not yet been made?
rocketeer25
Sr Member
Is the accused even a RPF member?
Did the 501st make a ruling on this or not? We seem to be getting two different stories here...
If anyone has additional proof, one way or the other, please send it to one of the staff.
Thanks,
Lonnie
Did the 501st make a ruling on this or not? We seem to be getting two different stories here...
If anyone has additional proof, one way or the other, please send it to one of the staff.
Thanks,
Lonnie
Jedirick
Sr Member
Is AZ a member of the RPF? if he is, then by all means since both parties are members we should take part in a final determination as someone's RPF membership hangs in the balance. In my book, deliberate accusation by recasting facts is as serious an issue as recasting itself. No one here certainly wants to make a recaster decision based on false claims. The truth needs to be told. Right now we need to know how MR determined source of armor in question if the party owning it claims to have not revealed that information. Based on that revelation we can consider moving forward.
IMO if AZ is not a member here then we have less right to pass judgement than the 501. Discuss, opinionate and debate, sure, but be considered responsible for executing judgement, no. I just can't see where the RPF should serve as the high court in making a final judgement on recasting issues outside of our membership. After all, all we can do is ban the recaster as a member. I strongly support keeping "known recasters" from ever having a RPF membership but the RPF can't serve as the recast police of the entire internet.
As for the RPF having better experience and judgement than the RPF, I dunno. Yeah , we have a lot of guys here familiar with technique as well as armor, however most RPF armor makers are either members of the 501 or involved in meeting 501 members costuming needs. It could be said that when it comes to costuming that the 501 is pretty much the definitive source of supply and demand. Seems almost an in house issue.
hyperdyne
Sr Member
Az is a member here. I agree screaming "recast" before having concrete evidence stirs up quite a controversy. At what point do we stop with all the "crying wolf". I was not privy to the 501st decisions, but apparently they saw the evidence presented and made a judgment.
BTW I have seen the armor in person and can vouch that it was made from scratch. Heck the clay molds should speak volumes. What is left to argue?
BTW I have seen the armor in person and can vouch that it was made from scratch. Heck the clay molds should speak volumes. What is left to argue?
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