Beagle Bill
Sr Member
It' s up for auction now:
Too rich for my blood.
Bill
Too rich for my blood.
Bill
bigbaddaddyvader
Well-Known Member
For anyone who may be interested this Luke ROTJ replica was handmade by Norman using the original blueprints and the saber pictured earlier in the thread as a guide.Also made on the original workbench.I know it's a replica but it's still pretty cool:
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I believe the R2 dome in the next Profiles auction also comes from Elstree.
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I believe the R2 dome in the next Profiles auction also comes from Elstree.
You could try their ebay ID: "e11e" or maybe they have email contact on their website.... www.estreeprops.com I'm sure they could help out.
Ghost Host
Sr Member
Yea, that protocol droid head is DEFINITELY NOT screen used from ANH.
Some poor sap won't know any better.
Some poor sap won't know any better.
lonepigeon
Master Member
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Can someone elaborate as to why it's not original?
Can someone elaborate as to why it's not original?
Ghost Host
Sr Member
Well, right off, the "wings" that hang down at the neckbolts flare out alot, and the angle of the neckbolts going in is not correct for ANH. Next, there is a bit too much gap on the sides where the front and back halves fit together, much like the Vos and Zorg heads... if I could see larger, clearer pics and of the insides I am sure I could list alot more things that were off...
Here ya go, Ghosthost
It looks like the head they bought off Ebay this year...
Comparisons against screenshots...
Ebay head...
Their head...
Against the head they are claiming in the auction...the one seen on the landspeeder is this one:
Here are some problems I saw with it:
It looks like the head they bought off Ebay this year...
Comparisons against screenshots...
Ebay head...
Their head...
Against the head they are claiming in the auction...the one seen on the landspeeder is this one:
Here are some problems I saw with it:
Well, we know that the dented faceplate went back to the States after production due to its appearance in post-production publicity photos and public appearances (such as the footprint ceremony at the Chinese theater). Thus it likely stayed with ILM. This would not contradict the story given in the ad, though. It does seem plausible that if ILM were to send a helmet to a vendor, it would send a "damaged" one that the production would be unlikely to reuse.
However, that simply proves that they chose the wrong ANH stills for their ad, not that it isn't an ANH head.
Since we have recently learned that the forehead bolt is simply press fit, it isn't unreasonable that it might not sit properly after 30 years. It's also possible it and the neck bolts aren't original anyway, for they would not be needed for the color-matching purposes in their story.
I don't see what you're referring to in the other parts of the photos.
Mind ya, I'm not saying it IS an ANH helmet, (and I'm not yet completely confident in these "Elstree" folks), but I don't yet see proof that it isn't.
However, that simply proves that they chose the wrong ANH stills for their ad, not that it isn't an ANH head.
Since we have recently learned that the forehead bolt is simply press fit, it isn't unreasonable that it might not sit properly after 30 years. It's also possible it and the neck bolts aren't original anyway, for they would not be needed for the color-matching purposes in their story.
I don't see what you're referring to in the other parts of the photos.
Mind ya, I'm not saying it IS an ANH helmet, (and I'm not yet completely confident in these "Elstree" folks), but I don't yet see proof that it isn't.
bigbaddaddyvader
Well-Known Member
Well Profiles hasn't had the greatest reputation over the past while for putting much research into the pieces they sell or their consignors.In fact with quite a few of the Star Wars pieces over the past couple of years I think it would be fair to say there have been questions asked of them and that they also use misleading photographs in the catalogs i.e. the Qui-Gon saber in the last Hollywood auction where Neeson was pictured in the catalog holding a saber which definitively was not the one for auction.It doesn't mean that saber wasn't authentic but it does raise questions about their business ethics in my opinion.
Rogue Studios
Well-Known Member
Ok please explain but this damn helmet is silver. If anything I would say it was the silver droid walking behind threepio on the Tantive IV. Ifthey claim the finish wore off then it would be the first one to do so.
Lee
Lee
GrenadeKing
Sr Member
If the finish wore off there would still be lingering bits here and there as is common with wear and tear. You should still be able to see bits of gold in the recesses and such. Now, personaly, I dont see any in that helmet :rolleyes
Now, its possible that they blasted the thing and polished it, but why in the name of all that is holy would they do something that stupid?
Now, its possible that they blasted the thing and polished it, but why in the name of all that is holy would they do something that stupid?
vaderdarth
Master Member
ON the side strips that run down the head.........the two sections that protrude out more........the shape is wrong on this particular head. Both the top and bottom have a bevel about 30 degrees, but on the original ANH head.....it's almost a 90 degree angle. This is on 3PO's right side of course. It's different on the left.
While I'm on the strip that runs up and over the head, the first "indent" at the top face of the strip closest to the antenna..........it is parallel to the top of the stip on this head...........it's at a very different angle on the original ANH head.
The top lip is too wide on this head.........it's wider than the bottom lip of the mouth.....but on the original ANH head, the lips are the same width. As Sithlord pointed out.......the height of the mouth opening is off in general.
The depth of the groove under the nose.........has a specific more uneven anatomy and is deeper on the original head compared to this new one.
Just with these four facts alone............there is absolutely no way it is the same head. If you scale the two heads to the same exact dimensions.........these four areas are dramatically different.
I'm curious if this head is original at all. You would think that the ESB/ROTJ heads would have been sourced from the ANH castings at least. This is clearly a different sculpt in my opinion.
Dave
While I'm on the strip that runs up and over the head, the first "indent" at the top face of the strip closest to the antenna..........it is parallel to the top of the stip on this head...........it's at a very different angle on the original ANH head.
The top lip is too wide on this head.........it's wider than the bottom lip of the mouth.....but on the original ANH head, the lips are the same width. As Sithlord pointed out.......the height of the mouth opening is off in general.
The depth of the groove under the nose.........has a specific more uneven anatomy and is deeper on the original head compared to this new one.
Just with these four facts alone............there is absolutely no way it is the same head. If you scale the two heads to the same exact dimensions.........these four areas are dramatically different.
I'm curious if this head is original at all. You would think that the ESB/ROTJ heads would have been sourced from the ANH castings at least. This is clearly a different sculpt in my opinion.
Dave
Ghost Host
Sr Member
Yea, in addition, it is nowhere near as sharp as the screen used piece. It takes ALOT to warp fiberglass, especially in a round shape such as a head, and sitting around for 31 years would not do it. It would have to go into an oven (multiple times) and be physically manipulated.
Also, as this is likely the same head seen at the beginning of this thread, I can see that there isn't (and never was) certain details and hardware used to hold the head together. Why is the mouth sealed shut? Why doesn't he have pupils? And the ad at the very least insinuates that the neckbolts etc. are original... No way this is original.
Also, as this is likely the same head seen at the beginning of this thread, I can see that there isn't (and never was) certain details and hardware used to hold the head together. Why is the mouth sealed shut? Why doesn't he have pupils? And the ad at the very least insinuates that the neckbolts etc. are original... No way this is original.
Rogue Studios
Well-Known Member
The brass/gold color of the knob on the neck isn't washed out and still retains a gold color in that lighting. If it's on Profiles Caveat Emptor.
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I've already confirmed with Brian Muir that this head is not ANH original. He's the one that sculpted the final details on the Liz Moore head...he's the one who created those rectangular slots in the rim going around the circumference of the head, and he sculpted the circular neckbolts. It clearly doesn't look original, it has similarity to a replica they purchased on Ebay, and a person that had a hand in sculpting the original says it is not original.
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It may not be original but who'm ever done it done a fine job :thumbsup
We should try a StarGate SG1 uniform and props on the C3PO, that would be interesting :lol
I've already confirmed with Brian Muir that this head is not ANH original. He's the one that sculpted the final details on the Liz Moore head...he's the one who created those rectangular slots in the rim going around the circumference of the head, and he sculpted the circular neckbolts. It clearly doesn't look original, it has similarity to a replica they purchased on Ebay, and a person that had a hand in sculpting the original says it is not original.
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It may not be original but who'm ever done it done a fine job :thumbsup
We should try a StarGate SG1 uniform and props on the C3PO, that would be interesting :lol
bigbaddaddyvader
Well-Known Member
And will do an even better job at ruthlessly scamming someone through PIH. :thumbsdown
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