Star Trek Picard Season Three

[NakedMoleRat]

One more thing. Picard asks about Jack”s accent. Beverly says he went to school in London and it stuck.

So, we‘re not pretending that Picard is French anymore?

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Honestly, I don't think that's fair to Bryan Fuller. Based on what RMB has been saying, Fuller's original concept for Discovery would have been closer 2 the essence of classic Trek. Discovery you are supposed to be an anthology series with a different crew and a different story for every season. I was me to understand that he left because of creative differences he had with Kurtzman. The mushroom network, the Klingorcs, the space-folding tardigrade, Burnham being Spock's sister, and that ridiculous fidget spinner saucer section are all Kurtzman.

You need to go back and check out the foundational elements that Fuller put into place that Kurtzman built off of.

Although… he did have some unique and interesting initial ideas.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

One more thing. Picard asks about Jack”s accent. Beverly says he went to school in London and it stuck.

So, we‘re not pretending that Picard is French anymore?

Picard is the most famous Frenchman that Britain ever produced, you know…

 

[Gregatron]

Honestly, I don't think that's fair to Bryan Fuller. Based on what RMB has been saying, Fuller's original concept for Discovery would have been closer 2 the essence of classic Trek. Discovery you are supposed to be an anthology series with a different crew and a different story for every season. I was me to understand that he left because of creative differences he had with Kurtzman. The mushroom network, the Klingorcs, the space-folding tardigrade, Burnham being Spock's sister, and that ridiculous fidget spinner saucer section are all Kurtzman.

A friendly reminder: Fuller has referred to Captain James T. Kirk as “a pig and a d**k”.

This is not someone I would want running TREK. People lament his being replaced by Kurtzman, but I have the sneaking feeling that his “vision” would not necessarily have been better.

 

[pengbuzz]

Honestly, I don't know if we even have anyone right now who could bring the Trek we're looking for to the "table" as it were (maybe if Rick Berman returned, but he's getting up there in age now). And frankly, I think after Picard and Strange New Hair finish their runs, they may want to forget about any movies, series or anything else for some time to come.

Give the franchise a chance to rest, and maybe recover (if ever).

 

[renaissance_man]

Is it fair to say season 3 is like spraying air freshner at a cattle farm? The smell of dung is still there but you might, just might, get a hint of vanilla every once in a while?

 

[asalaw]

It’s far too soon to say “STAR TREK IS BACK!!”

Yes, the current season of Picard is certainly better than the first two seasons of the show—which is an extremely low bar to be measured against. The over-reaction to the change in the series as being the rescue of the entire franchise is a bit much…so far…

Picard is still a series full of modern (Nu) Star Trek tropes, member berries, easter eggs, elements taken from prior stories, inconsistent characterizations, clunky story telling, etc. But—yes, it is still better than seasons 1 and 2 and all of Discovery and Strange New Worlds.

And there is still the specter and stench of Secret Hideout hanging over the franchise.

No—Roddenberry Trek is not yet back. But, there is a small glimmer of hope that things could continue to get better. The cancellation of Discovery and changes to Picard may represent the start of a broader course correction.

I agree, it’s still too early to say Trek is back. But season 3 is very promising so far.

 

[Bloop]

One more thing. Picard asks about Jack”s accent. Beverly says he went to school in London and it stuck.

So, we‘re not pretending that Picard is French anymore?

While I've never heard an "in world" explanation for it, I've always assumed that the "proper" English accent and dialect that Picard uses as a native of France was a result of generations of globalization of the English language (I think "English" has been referred to as "Standard" in Trek, but I don't recall for sure). And that the "proper British" accent was largely adopted by people of France and other European counties due to their proximity to England, and would be taught as the preferred way of speaking English as opposed to adopting a North American-type accent.
But I feel like the writers of Picards s03e03 wanted to make it easy on viewers and say Jack developed his accent being schooled in London, rather than have him have learned it in France because casual viewers might end up questioning why French people have English accents. It also might be a bit odd for Beverly to have sent her son to school in France when she wanted him to have nothing to do with Picard.
Jack's accent just serves as something to help him have more similarities to Picard, in addition to having not-dissimilar physical features, to help the audience tie the two characters together. I'm fine with it and their explanation.

 

[Bloop]

Small Easter egg - Riker calling Troi "imzadi" which I recall from Season 1 of TNG as a Betazed term of endearment between the two of them (back when Troi was also calling Riker "Bill" instead of "Will").

 

[Picard102]

While I've never heard an "in world" explanation for it

They mentioned that the Picard family abandoned the property and left France for England after WW2. Only moving back generations later. By that time french was considered an "archaic language".

 

[AnubisGuard]

By that time french was considered an "archaic language".

 

[blewis17]

While I've never heard an "in world" explanation for it, I've always assumed that the "proper" English accent and dialect that Picard uses as a native of France was a result of generations of globalization of the English language (I think "English" has been referred to as "Standard" in Trek, but I don't recall for sure). And that the "proper British" accent was largely adopted by people of France and other European counties due to their proximity to England, and would be taught as the preferred way of speaking English as opposed to adopting a North American-type accent.
But I feel like the writers of Picards s03e03 wanted to make it easy on viewers and say Jack developed his accent being schooled in London, rather than have him have learned it in France because casual viewers might end up questioning why French people have English accents. It also might be a bit odd for Beverly to have sent her son to school in France when she wanted him to have nothing to do with Picard.
Jack's accent just serves as something to help him have more similarities to Picard, in addition to having not-dissimilar physical features, to help the audience tie the two characters together. I'm fine with it and their explanation.

Why do we assume Picard is speaking "English" at all? Couldn't he be speaking French the entire time, and the Universal Translator that everyone seems to have imbedded somewhere in there body just "translates" his voice as English, with the appropriate British accent? Maybe that's his preference?

 

[Bloop]

Why do we assume Picard is speaking "English" at all? Couldn't he be speaking French the entire time, and the Universal Translator that everyone seems to have imbedded somewhere in there body just "translates" his voice as English, with the appropriate British accent? Maybe that's his preference?

Well, we have actually heard him switch to French from English occasionally, so I think it's reasonable to assume that he's predominantly speaking English.
To that point, maybe the universal translator is very selective about what it chooses to translate - perhaps switching languages suddenly will disable the translation. We've seen characters use words from other languages without it translating them, like when Klingon insults are hurled by people otherwise speaking English. Obviously the universal translator is a piece of magic tech that makes things simpler for storytelling purposes, so any explanation of these foibles is probably unnecessary.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Why do we assume Picard is speaking "English" at all? Couldn't he be speaking French the entire time, and the Universal Translator that everyone seems to have imbedded somewhere in there body just "translates" his voice as English, with the appropriate British accent? Maybe that's his preference?

When he saw his Mother in the corridor, (you know, the one that he pretended had grown old) on Where no one has gone before.

He addressed her in French.

 

[bwayne64]

One thing I can say about this season, is Sidney
La Forge/Ashlei Sharpe Chestnut is a beautiful woman, ; )

 

[asalaw]

One thing I can say about this season, is Sidney
La Forge/Ashlei Sharpe Chestnut is a beautiful woman, ; )

Holy crap, is she ever. Just gorgeous.

 

[pengbuzz]

Correct.

I say this not to bash on anyone enjoying this show, but...it remains clear to me that this is a dead franchise. The current showrunners are pathologically incapable of producing anything but clichéd or forced dreck, and/or wallowing in nostalgia and references to far better times.

I think that we all just love STAR TREK so gosh-darn much that many of us are unwilling to accept the full horror of what's happened to it, and what it's become. And are therefore receptive to anything that isn't being backhanded and spat in the face.

I think this might sum up how we all feel:

 

[The Terminator]

Perhaps bringing back Braga would be a good thing?

 

[Bloop]

Perhaps bringing back Braga would be a good thing?

When rewatching TNG episides, I find my favorite episodes involve Ronald D. Moore as writer and/or producer. I'd be interested to see what he could do with the franchise. I just found this interview he did where he talks about Star Trek being hard to do as feature films, which seems to apply to the current shows as well:

"The movies have to be gigantic, action-adventure, lots of shooting, lots of things at stake – except for Voyage Home. And that’s not really Star Trek to me.
To me, Trek is a morality play. It’s a show about ethical dilemmas. It’s a science fiction show about “What if?” And it’s a character piece. The best parts of Trek don’t necessarily lend themselves towards the big screen. For instance, you couldn’t do “Data’s Day” as a movie, right? It was one of my favorite episodes. “The Conscience of the King” from The Original Series is one of my favorite episodes. That’s not a movie. So, the movie version always has to be hyped up and overdamped and they’re big giant roller coasters. And I don’t know that the roller coaster aspect is what attracts me to Star Trek the most.
So, if they asked me what to do with the movies, I don’t know. I’d want to reboot and start over and do something very different. And try a different flavor of Star Trek for the big screen. And not just make ‘Who’s going to be the “Khan” in this version? What’s the big, giant weapon that’s going to threaten the universe? Or anything like that. I think you’d have to find some sci-fi angle that made it more about: What are the roots of Trek? Why did people come to fall in love with it in the first place? And that’s a tall order."

Interview: Ron Moore On Why Star Trek Is An Uncomfortable Fit For The Big Screen

The veteran of TNG and DS9 also offers his thoughts on the possible Section 31 series and more.

trekmovie.com

 

[Gregatron]

Moore has a very good handle on what TREK is, but he's moved on, I think. His version of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA was basically his response to having his creative hands tied on VOYAGER, after all.