Star Trek: Picard
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My biggest pet peeve about Nu Trek
And this started in Jar Jar Abraham’s movies
They use REAL LIFE setting and just flub some cGi space ships in the background.
Star Trek has Always made a point of making locations and Costumes seem futuristic. Gene Roddenberry was always obsessed with “no Wrinkles” in costumes.
Now in NuTrek you have picard wearing a t Shirt or some button up shirt that looks very 2019-2020.
The same with all of the location filming they did I. California etc with the buildings. These are VERY 20th century architect designs.
It just seems very...... cheap. Even cheaper than that SAME stage they used as every alien planet in TNG. At least it felt foreign
And this started in Jar Jar Abraham’s movies
They use REAL LIFE setting and just flub some cGi space ships in the background.
Star Trek has Always made a point of making locations and Costumes seem futuristic. Gene Roddenberry was always obsessed with “no Wrinkles” in costumes.
Now in NuTrek you have picard wearing a t Shirt or some button up shirt that looks very 2019-2020.
The same with all of the location filming they did I. California etc with the buildings. These are VERY 20th century architect designs.
It just seems very...... cheap. Even cheaper than that SAME stage they used as every alien planet in TNG. At least it felt foreign
Just watched episode 2 while making breakfast...
The Kurtzman Trek writing staff has made their presence known via a Starfleet Admiral, in the supposed era of the Next Generation, dropping the “F-Bomb” and spouting xenophobic nonsense. We are firmly set in the 21st Century with this show, ladies and gentlemen. Pretty disappointing.
Yes, episode 2 of the series and my foot is already halfway out the door...
The Kurtzman Trek writing staff has made their presence known via a Starfleet Admiral, in the supposed era of the Next Generation, dropping the “F-Bomb” and spouting xenophobic nonsense. We are firmly set in the 21st Century with this show, ladies and gentlemen. Pretty disappointing.
Yes, episode 2 of the series and my foot is already halfway out the door...
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All I can say is you guys are gluttons for punishment! 
Paul Andrew
Master Member
It's a colorful metaphor
Regarding the theories, seen here and elsewhere, that Picard will most likely be revealed to have had “the relations” with the Borg Queen...
I guess I need to remind people that the Borg Queen was a revolting disembodied corpse-head with no “body”, in the real, organic, sense...
Not that I expect the current writers’ room to realize this...
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It's only been two episodes but so far I'm just not feeling this series of Picard, which is a shame as I was hoping we would get a true return to form.
It has too many things that are just a bit off that keep taking me out of the episode whilst I watch it, it makes me question the behind the scenes decisions more and more which then takes me completely out of the narrative.
I know Picard was greenlit before the ink fully dried on CBS merger so maybe that accounts for things like the classic sound effects sounding off, like the DS9 hail sound mixed in the Dahj's replicator menu, Picard's commbadge sounding nothing like the sound from the TNG films/Voyager when it was last heard, it now sounds like it has the quasi TOS-DISCO comm chirp sound blended in. Of the one episode of Discovery I saw I noticed the same thing, other Trek series sound effects mixed in to try and make it feel like Star Trek but it just sounded silly, like a fan film that only had access to the selection of original sounds here at Trekcore in the library and they mix and match them into a scene not knowing what those sounds originally were used for.
Picard's Romulan helper had that strange magic wand that allowed her to playback past real time events, which is just basically magic, they tried to make it sound scientific by throwing in the word Leptons but it just didn't work. If it was a single frozen image of the Dahj and her boyfriend sat on the sofa, MAYBE I could have forgiven it but live playback with audio, that isn't science it is just magic.
The dodgy Vulcan/potential Romulan commodore whose office is on the ground floor with enormous open windows allowing anyone to look in on her secret meetings, which by the way are made even less secret by the ubiquitous use of holographic screens. If you were stood outside of her window, and you easily could as there seems to be zero Starfleet security even at HQ, you could learn everything about her secret plans.
The very contemporary speech used in the series is jarring when you consider this is supposed to follow on in the timeline from the TNG,DS9, VOY era where the vernacular was clearly established.
Lens flares are still cropping up, despite the clear dislike from many fans since the days of the 2009 reboot.
I only wish Narek had a moustache as he could have twirled it when he responded to Dhaj's comment that he would need authorisation to watch her work line "actually I don't" it was so hammy he may as well have delivered it straight down the lens and broken the fourth wall,
Speaking of Narek, the very late 90s James Bond line between his sister "I'm on top of it" "so it would seem" was so cheesy!
I just get the feeling this series was made to try and appease Star Trek fans who didn't necessarily like Discovery and wanted the familiarity of the TNG era of Trek but they are also trying to introduce new fans, so its sort of in the middle and not really working for me.
I'll grin and bear it for another episode or two, I'll really try and keep an open mind, but if we're going to be getting contemporary speech with their "dudes" "cool" and "secret-planny" type Buffy the Vampire speech and this odd mix of Discovery aesthetic I think I'll just quietly walk away and enjoy the Trek I've enjoyed for the last 25 years and let the new crowd enjoy this science-fantasy series that calls itself Star Trek.
It was nice to see some of Picard's mementos in the archive, I thought that was a nice touch but since the Enterprise-D crashed on Veridiian 3 wouldn't the Captain Picard Day banner have been destroyed? Maybe it was put in a storage locker or the one in the storage archives was a replica.
I'm not having a go at the people who like this new series, if you do that's great I'm happy for you but please don't take offense at my dislike of the show, I just expected something different to what has been shown so far and I'm disappointed.
I think I'll pick up a copy of David Mack's Destiny Trilogy I hear it's an excellent series and continues the post Nemesis timeline nicely.
It has too many things that are just a bit off that keep taking me out of the episode whilst I watch it, it makes me question the behind the scenes decisions more and more which then takes me completely out of the narrative.
I know Picard was greenlit before the ink fully dried on CBS merger so maybe that accounts for things like the classic sound effects sounding off, like the DS9 hail sound mixed in the Dahj's replicator menu, Picard's commbadge sounding nothing like the sound from the TNG films/Voyager when it was last heard, it now sounds like it has the quasi TOS-DISCO comm chirp sound blended in. Of the one episode of Discovery I saw I noticed the same thing, other Trek series sound effects mixed in to try and make it feel like Star Trek but it just sounded silly, like a fan film that only had access to the selection of original sounds here at Trekcore in the library and they mix and match them into a scene not knowing what those sounds originally were used for.
Picard's Romulan helper had that strange magic wand that allowed her to playback past real time events, which is just basically magic, they tried to make it sound scientific by throwing in the word Leptons but it just didn't work. If it was a single frozen image of the Dahj and her boyfriend sat on the sofa, MAYBE I could have forgiven it but live playback with audio, that isn't science it is just magic.
The dodgy Vulcan/potential Romulan commodore whose office is on the ground floor with enormous open windows allowing anyone to look in on her secret meetings, which by the way are made even less secret by the ubiquitous use of holographic screens. If you were stood outside of her window, and you easily could as there seems to be zero Starfleet security even at HQ, you could learn everything about her secret plans.
The very contemporary speech used in the series is jarring when you consider this is supposed to follow on in the timeline from the TNG,DS9, VOY era where the vernacular was clearly established.
Lens flares are still cropping up, despite the clear dislike from many fans since the days of the 2009 reboot.
I only wish Narek had a moustache as he could have twirled it when he responded to Dhaj's comment that he would need authorisation to watch her work line "actually I don't" it was so hammy he may as well have delivered it straight down the lens and broken the fourth wall,
Speaking of Narek, the very late 90s James Bond line between his sister "I'm on top of it" "so it would seem" was so cheesy!
I just get the feeling this series was made to try and appease Star Trek fans who didn't necessarily like Discovery and wanted the familiarity of the TNG era of Trek but they are also trying to introduce new fans, so its sort of in the middle and not really working for me.
I'll grin and bear it for another episode or two, I'll really try and keep an open mind, but if we're going to be getting contemporary speech with their "dudes" "cool" and "secret-planny" type Buffy the Vampire speech and this odd mix of Discovery aesthetic I think I'll just quietly walk away and enjoy the Trek I've enjoyed for the last 25 years and let the new crowd enjoy this science-fantasy series that calls itself Star Trek.
It was nice to see some of Picard's mementos in the archive, I thought that was a nice touch but since the Enterprise-D crashed on Veridiian 3 wouldn't the Captain Picard Day banner have been destroyed? Maybe it was put in a storage locker or the one in the storage archives was a replica.
I'm not having a go at the people who like this new series, if you do that's great I'm happy for you but please don't take offense at my dislike of the show, I just expected something different to what has been shown so far and I'm disappointed.
I think I'll pick up a copy of David Mack's Destiny Trilogy I hear it's an excellent series and continues the post Nemesis timeline nicely.
peterquill
Sr Member
might be watching tomorrow, very fleeting curiosity that has pretty much checked out at this point,
but it looks like i'll be picking up a copy of the David mack trilogy too, that or maybe the Titan/riker series
but it looks like i'll be picking up a copy of the David mack trilogy too, that or maybe the Titan/riker series
The saucer slid out, it didn't explode in a Hollywood car chase fireball. Everything above the saucer rim -- including Picard's quarters on deck 8 -- looked largely intact. Shuttles were landing and taking off from it to ferry the crew and their families and, presumably, personal effects up to the waiting rescue ships. So it was structurally at least as intact as a car with a frame that's too bent to be drive-able, but still otherwise works.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
The second episode was a little slower than I expected, and felt like it ended right when something was going to happen. That being said, Stewart is a joy to watch as Picard and I'll take as much as I can get.
“Set a course for ‘Earl Grey Tea Overload’...ENGAGE!”
Apparently, the writers have fixated on this character trait.
Picard has so excessively referenced “Earl Gray”, in just two episodes, that I am beginning to believe he has a real drinking problem. One of those “My Romulan Fridays”, that he keeps around the house, needs to stage an intervention.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Dr. Eugene “Bug-Eyes” Malone, from the U.S.S. Stargazer, reveals that Picard’s currently unidentified syndrome is linked directly to chronic “EGTA” (Earl Gray Tea Abuse)?
Apparently, the writers have fixated on this character trait.
Picard has so excessively referenced “Earl Gray”, in just two episodes, that I am beginning to believe he has a real drinking problem. One of those “My Romulan Fridays”, that he keeps around the house, needs to stage an intervention.
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Dr. Eugene “Bug-Eyes” Malone, from the U.S.S. Stargazer, reveals that Picard’s currently unidentified syndrome is linked directly to chronic “EGTA” (Earl Gray Tea Abuse)?
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Notes taken in the most recent writer’s room session of Star Trek: Picard....
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HMSwolfe
Master Member
It’s been stylistically done this way…and you can’t undo that. Every frame is so dense…with tea and lens flares
The Tea thing happens often in long running shows. A writer or actor will give a character a specific trait that makes them feel more human. Like, he prefers watered martinis, or she likes to keep the apartment tidy. A decade and ten different writers later and its morphed into "He can't drink anything but Martinis, EVER!!!!!" and "She's OCD to the point of being barely functional"
Most choices like what tea he likes, and how he gives 'go' orders, were probably originally just background to make the character feel more consistent and real, but over time have now somehow become character defining elements.
The sad part is it would probably be more real to change it. Most of us over 40 have had at least one conversation about how we used to do things. Such as, "remember how you always drank cokes?" In my early 20s you NEVER saw me without one. Now it's been almost six years since I had even one. Most real people's tastes evolve over the years. In movies and TV it's the opposite. Characters become cartoons. James Bond (possibly the worst ever example of this). He didn't even order it in the first movie or first book, but now he can no more order something other than shaken not stirred than Yogi Bear can wear a different hat. The thing that was originally meant to be more real gets locked in and ends up having the opposite effect.
Not necessarily knocking this show for it though. It's a very common phenomenon in film and TV.
Most choices like what tea he likes, and how he gives 'go' orders, were probably originally just background to make the character feel more consistent and real, but over time have now somehow become character defining elements.
The sad part is it would probably be more real to change it. Most of us over 40 have had at least one conversation about how we used to do things. Such as, "remember how you always drank cokes?" In my early 20s you NEVER saw me without one. Now it's been almost six years since I had even one. Most real people's tastes evolve over the years. In movies and TV it's the opposite. Characters become cartoons. James Bond (possibly the worst ever example of this). He didn't even order it in the first movie or first book, but now he can no more order something other than shaken not stirred than Yogi Bear can wear a different hat. The thing that was originally meant to be more real gets locked in and ends up having the opposite effect.
Not necessarily knocking this show for it though. It's a very common phenomenon in film and TV.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
Or worse, if you do change it and give James a Heineken some fans have a damn fit about it. Seems like whatever the writers do, whatever the show is, some folks gotta get all up in arms. ::Shrug::
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