Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
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NakedMoleRat
Master Member
That was the best part of Discovery. Just when I had sworn off of Trek, they announce this. Now, if its a family friendly show, and not an R rated F bomb blast, I’ll be in.
firesprite
Master Member
This makes me so happy!
But...will it have Alex Kurtzman and the Secret Hideout bunch’s fingerprints all over it?
If so, I am not remotely interested.
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That’s a hard “pass” for me:
"Strange New Worlds" will star Mount and Peck, along with "Discovery" guest star Rebecca Romijn as Number One. The premiere will be written by Akiva Goldsman (also a writer and director on "Discovery" and "Picard"), with a story by Goldsman, Alex Kurtzman and Jenny Lumet.”
If so, I am not remotely interested.
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That’s a hard “pass” for me:
"Strange New Worlds" will star Mount and Peck, along with "Discovery" guest star Rebecca Romijn as Number One. The premiere will be written by Akiva Goldsman (also a writer and director on "Discovery" and "Picard"), with a story by Goldsman, Alex Kurtzman and Jenny Lumet.”
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Gimpdiggity
Master Member
I’m in.
Not canon still. Easy pass.
Hammer3246
Sr Member
LOL, looking forward to it. The hate for everything on this board regarding entertainment is priceless. Hell there's still talk about ST Picard and that ended a while ago.
In case you are illiterate.... Or just haven't read all of the very valid points that have been brought up, time and time again.
The "hate" is aimed at GARBAGE writing for turd shows like Picard, STD...
TREK used to tell moral tales, where the viewer decided how she/he should feel about the situation.
But with current shows, everyone get a very narrow opinion shoved down their throats.
Just a small difference.....
Hammer3246
Sr Member
Lol, get over yourself, your opinion (and everyone else's) on TV entertainment means nothing to me. I watch what "I" want.
That kind of disdainful, broad-sweeping comment bothers me... I have literally had Star Trek around my whole life. It was already in syndication by the time I was born, and my parents were first-generation Trekkies, so it was always on in our house. Re-runs of TOS were a large part of the background noise of my childhood. I was at the end of middle school when TNG premiered and I fell for it with all the abandon of an alcoholic in a brewery. I stayed on as DS9 found its legs, squirmed uncomfortably through Voyager's hit-and-miss run -- wanting to like it more than I did, and having high hopes for both Enterprise and the 2009 Abrams reimagining... but ultimately being let down by both, for failing to grasp potential.
I love Star Trek. My first solo costume was a TNG first-season uniform jumpsuit that I made at age 13. I have a swath of over a hundred novels and several shortboxes of Star Trek comics. I won't even embarrass myself by mentioning how many models I've built over the years. I started writing bad fanfic and designing starships in my teens (and very quickly forced myself to improve, as I was self-aware enough to realize I stunk when I started out). I like to think I get it. Star Trek has a certain feel. A certain content and quality. There have been glimpses in the Abrams movies, but depressingly few and far between. I had desperately wanted to like Discovery, and then Picard. I honestly cannot wrap my head around those who not just like them, but feel they're "some of the best Star Trek [they've] ever seen". That's a direct quote from a couple friends of mine. My kneejerk reaction is, if that's what you think Star Trek is, "Bro -- do you even Star Trek?" From a lifetime of absorbing movies and TV and books and comics and video games, in their own right and because I wanted to learn the craft, these are bad TV. And as a lifelong Star Trek fan who's made an even more intensive study of storytelling in that setting, these are execrable facsimiles of Star Trek.
If you like it, I can't account for taste, but you do you. If you think it's great Star Trek, I'll shake my head in disappointed bafflement, but I can't gainsay subjective appreciation, even if I think you're objectively wrong. *chuckle* Now, yes there are "haters" on the board who seem to denigrate one thing or another or all recent outings of some franchise/IP all out of proportion and relationship to reality. I won't name names. But I and others feel we have legitimate criticisms of the creative choices of those in charge of various IPs, based on demonstrable, fact-based analyses. We object to being lumped in with the haters. I like Anson Mount. I like Rebecca Romijn. I feel like they are well-cast for those roles. I also feel that the ball is being dropped on the writing, directing, costume design, and set design end of things. I feel they could have easily come up with a well-done update of the first-pilot bridge without making it look so drastically different -- and then claim it's the same universe and ship. Mount is a great guy and a good actor, but Pike was nowhere near that cavalier and flippant in "The Cage". If you can't see the difference, or if you think it doesn't matter, I can't help you. The only way I can watch Picard is by pretending it's the Mirror Universe. The characters sure act like it. Discovery, though, is unsalvageable. The Enterprise's presence was the best part of that series to date, and it's still problematic as hell. So any series spun of that that will likely be just as flawed, from the get-go -- a sense backed up by the creative team's prior work on the franchise. If they took the opportunity to pull those characters and that ship even a little closer to canon source material, I might hold out some hope. But I know they won't. But if you're not wrong for liking it fir what it is, I'm not wrong for disliking it because of all it fails to be.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
I think part of the problem is some members of this site are so “beat you over the head” with their dislike of things that it makes it difficult to even TRY to participate in a thread if you actually enjoy the material. The piling on and constant complaining becomes nearly unbearable, and it actually becomes unwelcoming.
For example, I enjoyed both Picard and STD. I watched all of the episodes of the three total seasons in like 10 days when I got All Access for free.
I will readily admit that they have their flaws...and I will also admit that I’m not a walking Trek encyclopedia...but I also enjoy TV that simply entertains me, and I felt that all three seasons entertained me.
I did not...however...watch them until well after they’d been out. I want to say it was early April, so Picard has like just ended it’s original airing, and I don’t even know when STD ended it’s second season, but I’m guessing last year sometime. Anyway, I went to post in the threads that I enjoyed them, and the sheer amount of negativity in each thread made me just decide not to even post...because, honestly, what is the point?
Some members here seem to take personal offense to people that like things that they don’t...it’s weird, to say the least...and they will try to turn any comment that is positive about something into some kind of unnecessary debate.
So while many members have valid criticisms, and possibly unmet expectations, there are also some who seem like they dislike LITERALLY everything. It’s these users that have such strong negative opinions that easily drown out the VALID and constructive criticisms, and are also the ones that seem the most prevalent, so it’s fairly easy to jump to the idea that everyone hates a specific thing.
FRAK your opinion, FRAK my opinion, and FRAK everyone else's OPINION. I'm talking about demonstrable FACTS.
When did *I* or anyone else say what YOU can and cannot watch? When?
Perhaps YOU should get over yourself?
I keep wondering what happened to Nicholas Meyer’s involvement in the current science fiction shows with Star Trek in the title...
He was involved in discarded story development for Discovery and, supposedly, was developing a Khan mini-series.
Now, New Trek with Meyer at the helm is something I would enthusiastically look forward to. You see, writing matters when it comes to Star Trek—more than labels, callbacks, agenda, dirty words, modern slang, and Easter eggs.
I will also say this; those of us who are demanding better writing from current shows with Star Trek in the title limit our criticism to the series themselves...I have yet to turn to those that love these shows and say “are you kidding me? Are your eyes and ears painted on? You just love anything that is dropped on your plate.” I find the dismissive way that lovers of these shows seem to actually attack critics who just want better from the franchise that they love adds no value to the discussion.
He was involved in discarded story development for Discovery and, supposedly, was developing a Khan mini-series.
Now, New Trek with Meyer at the helm is something I would enthusiastically look forward to. You see, writing matters when it comes to Star Trek—more than labels, callbacks, agenda, dirty words, modern slang, and Easter eggs.
I will also say this; those of us who are demanding better writing from current shows with Star Trek in the title limit our criticism to the series themselves...I have yet to turn to those that love these shows and say “are you kidding me? Are your eyes and ears painted on? You just love anything that is dropped on your plate.” I find the dismissive way that lovers of these shows seem to actually attack critics who just want better from the franchise that they love adds no value to the discussion.
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I was always against recasting major TOS characters. I get a little of why.. sometimes, but frankly for me those characters the original actors did so much to create them and made them what they are they are quite inseparable from them, I don't think it's fair to other actors even to put them in those roles. And I'm not against recasting when it makes sense to me. TV vs Movie franchises for instance. I am all for recasting Indy, like James Bond does. Recasting TOS make zero sense to me. Mis-Discovery whizzed all over canon anyways when initially we lead to believe it wouldn't, and this is cut from that same cloth and already deviates, so I don't even have to worry about recasting characters I am against beacuse they already poisoned the water.
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