Star Wars Card Games and others
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Potroclo
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I don't know the exact dimensions of the prop cards used in the film, I just printed several blank cards in different sizes and compared them in my hand and other people's hands. This size looked most similar to the film's.
It would be nice to know the dimensions used by others who've done their own versions and the size of the Hasbro deck if anyone has it.
It would be nice to know the dimensions used by others who've done their own versions and the size of the Hasbro deck if anyone has it.
lethewookieewin
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Hey Potroclo, You said your cards were high quality and laminated with a satin finish. What did you use to make your cards playing quality? I have a custom Sabacc deck I made and want printed (see previous post above), but need some help on getting quality coated and cut cards. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
Potroclo
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Sure, I got them printed in a local print business and worked with materials they could offer so it may vary depending on where you print them. I ordered a preliminary test run in several different paper qualities, unfortunatelly I can't remember which kind of paper I setled for but basically it was a gloss finish high density paper, thick enough to have the same rigidity as a regular playing card when laminated. Lamination is basically a thin plastic layer press heated on the cards, satin gives a better finish tan gloss but I recon some companies can do a textured lamination which could be even better. Cutting is a whole other problem, I used a lasercut acrylic template and scalpel, it's a little bit tedious but I had a tight schedule, I'm doing tests for a steel rule die, the kind they use for leather cutting but you'll need a press to make the cut. Another option is laser cutting if you print good enough references on your stock material, try at a local makerspace. If it's a single homemade deck I'ld recommend trying different papers on your printer and make the cutting template out of wood or plastic and cut around using an exacto knife, although if you're really carefull with scisors your could get good results. Another trick is to sand your deck so the sides are even. Most printing businesses can laminate it for you, but ask for the minimum size their press can handle and print accordingly.
Hello everyone! I just discovered that, back in 2015, anonymous users on Fireden posted full pdf scans of the classic West End Games "Crisis on Cloud City" deck. The links are here and here (and here are the rules); if anyone feels inclined (and has the skills) to clean this up, we could all add a vintage RPG deck to our growing sabacc collection.
Note that some of the cards or just symbols have already been reworked on Wookieepedia (see gallery here).
Note that some of the cards or just symbols have already been reworked on Wookieepedia (see gallery here).
Potroclo
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I think there's already a cleaned up version of it somewhere on the internet, seems to me I've already seen one when doing research for my deck, or maybe I'm confusing it with that colored one you posted. In any case that's an awesome piece of star wars history, it's amazing how much can be traced back to WEG.
There's also a reference to a naboo style sabacc deck appearing on the official star wars fact file issue #7 on wookiepedia with this image:
I guess this is merely an illustration accompanying the article and a full deck does not exist, but it might be another one for the collection.
BTW what about pazaak decks?
There's also a reference to a naboo style sabacc deck appearing on the official star wars fact file issue #7 on wookiepedia with this image:
I guess this is merely an illustration accompanying the article and a full deck does not exist, but it might be another one for the collection.
BTW what about pazaak decks?
Sadly enough, there was (probably) never a full deck like this. I did manage to find the name of the guy who drew these four cards, but couldn't contact him. I'd settle for a faithful replica of the Rebels/Anaheim deck for the time being... And if I want a clean "WEG"-deck, I should either find a copy of the original, or learn how to clean this pdf.
GreenProtege
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Potroclo, your deck seems awesome! I'm particularly fond of the Solo movie style while changing the colors! And the clean box is only a benefit as well! Please let me know if you decide to produce a few extra sets of these! Or how else I could use your premade designs to make my own! Thanks!
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This site has been amazing. I recently purchased a set of Corellian Spike cards from online, and i'm very happy with the deck but definitely believe some improvements could be made. Additionally, the instructions contained within your two documents here, ShineAugustine, are top notch!
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This site has been amazing. I recently purchased a set of Corellian Spike cards from online, and i'm very happy with the deck but definitely believe some improvements could be made. Additionally, the instructions contained within your two documents here, ShineAugustine, are top notch!
GreenProtege
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Hey all, I took all of the documents and comments I could find here and then made my version of the Corellian Spike rules - I followed on Potroclo's idea of two separate variations of Corellian Spike but modified the rules based upon my family's personal opinions. I also used photoshop and cleaned up some of the images within the rule set.
I took out the regular straights considering them taking away from the importance of getting Sabacc.
I also decided since there are two names for Pure/Full Sabacc and Straight Staves/Straight Khyron, I decided to state Pure Sabacc had four+/-10 and the Sylop while Full Sabacc was just any four of a kind and the Sylop. Same concept for Straight Staves, where the Straight Khyron just includes the Sylop while the Staves does not.
Please find the document here:
Sabacc - Corellian Spike Rules.docx
I took out the regular straights considering them taking away from the importance of getting Sabacc.
I also decided since there are two names for Pure/Full Sabacc and Straight Staves/Straight Khyron, I decided to state Pure Sabacc had four+/-10 and the Sylop while Full Sabacc was just any four of a kind and the Sylop. Same concept for Straight Staves, where the Straight Khyron just includes the Sylop while the Staves does not.
Please find the document here:
Sabacc - Corellian Spike Rules.docx
Arconic
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Have been following this thread for a while and wanted to give making a spike deck a go. It's my first time really doing anything like this so i'm approaching it as a complete beginner and wanted to pick the brains of those who have made custom decks (of anything) before about what equipment people use:
- What card/paper stock do people use? The cards in the movie have an almost leathered texture to them, is there card stock that has this kind of texture?
- Some playing card brands have textured faces, so getting something that 'feels' good rather than smooth glossy cards would be much nicer.
- Would a standard inkjet printer work or for something like this would it require something more... 'specialist'?
- In terms of cutting a set of diagonals with rounded corners, have you been guillotine cutting or are there card cutters I should look at tracking down that can do a more professional job?
Potroclo
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Thank you! I'm planning on making a run of these (box included) in the near future, once I'm happy with the quality. I'll drop a message here.
As far as I know, the texture is achieved by glueing a textured lamination over the printed stock, as printing over textured paper and getting a good quality print is almost impossible. You could try it, even with a standard inkjet printer, if you're going for a weathered look, as you most probably will get runouts and unprinted spots. Another way is through screen printing and serigraph, using textured inks but we are talking industrial prints here.
For the cut I'm afraid there is no stock card cutters with the shape of the Solo movie Sabacc cards (at least none that I've been able to find), my guess is either lasercutting or having made a custom punch die. Leatherworkers and packaging companies use steel rule dies, many tradesmen still do them at fairly cheap prices.
Arconic
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Awesome! Thanks for the information. I assume this kind of card stock and lamination is available at hobby stores? Can anyone here who's done their own run give any feedback on what products they found good or bad so as to know what to avoid.
I'm based in Sweden and if its not carried in Staples, its a little harder to come by hobby supplies on the high street without ordering it in, so it'd be great to hear of any products people would recommend for playing cards like this.
Also, to speak to the issue of card sizes. 115mm x 70mm seems... big. Tarot cards are 120mm x 70mm. My own eyeballing measurements put the Sabacc cards at about 97mm x 63mm, going off poker card widths. I printed some off just on sheet paper and compared myself holding them to movie shots. how are the bigger cards feeling to hold/play?
I'm based in Sweden and if its not carried in Staples, its a little harder to come by hobby supplies on the high street without ordering it in, so it'd be great to hear of any products people would recommend for playing cards like this.
Also, to speak to the issue of card sizes. 115mm x 70mm seems... big. Tarot cards are 120mm x 70mm. My own eyeballing measurements put the Sabacc cards at about 97mm x 63mm, going off poker card widths. I printed some off just on sheet paper and compared myself holding them to movie shots. how are the bigger cards feeling to hold/play?
Potroclo
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I had mine made by a professional print business, so I used the stock they had, can't tell much about home printing.
The size yes, 115x70mm seems pretty big. But taking the bevels into account, you end up cutting around 40% of the surface area. I don't think anyone has measured the movie prop yet? (or the hasbro game size, although those look nothing at all like the movie's
). The thing is, because of the beveled shape, at smaller sizes it felt too little and toy-like in hand. You hold them by the top/bottom corners, and at smaller sizes they get too narrow. Hasbro has gone around that by making them bulkier (they actually look like standard poker cards with extra corners at the sides). I scaled mine so they would have roughly the same surface area as a standard poker card. You could say they end up looking like a compromise between poker and tarot yes! Except they feel way cooler in your hands
The size yes, 115x70mm seems pretty big. But taking the bevels into account, you end up cutting around 40% of the surface area. I don't think anyone has measured the movie prop yet? (or the hasbro game size, although those look nothing at all like the movie's
). The thing is, because of the beveled shape, at smaller sizes it felt too little and toy-like in hand. You hold them by the top/bottom corners, and at smaller sizes they get too narrow. Hasbro has gone around that by making them bulkier (they actually look like standard poker cards with extra corners at the sides). I scaled mine so they would have roughly the same surface area as a standard poker card. You could say they end up looking like a compromise between poker and tarot yes! Except they feel way cooler in your hands 
Protoss
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Don't know where else to post this. It seems most fitting in this thread. Let me know if it annoys anyone.
I'm thinking about building the wooden "counter block" on which the deck and the dice are placed. So I'd like to ask for some help with the measurement as well as the "honest stones" like they are called in the official guide. I think they are just used for counting the rounds. (see here www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm2NqofKUMA - 0:56)
Here are my eyeballed measurements:
A = 55 mm (~ 2 3/16 inch)
B = 80 mm (~ 3 1/8 inch)
C = 150 mm (~ 5 7/8 inch)
D = 5 mm (~ 3/8 inch)
E = 40 mm (~ 2 9/16 inch)
What do you think?
And has anyony an idea where to get those beads/stones?
Thanks!
I'm thinking about building the wooden "counter block" on which the deck and the dice are placed. So I'd like to ask for some help with the measurement as well as the "honest stones" like they are called in the official guide. I think they are just used for counting the rounds. (see here www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm2NqofKUMA - 0:56)
Here are my eyeballed measurements:
A = 55 mm (~ 2 3/16 inch)
B = 80 mm (~ 3 1/8 inch)
C = 150 mm (~ 5 7/8 inch)
D = 5 mm (~ 3/8 inch)
E = 40 mm (~ 2 9/16 inch)
What do you think?
And has anyony an idea where to get those beads/stones?
Thanks!
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Potroclo
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Awesome! I just had the same idea a couple days ago and have been doing some research, but I'm a bit confused about the info on that prop.
I searched it in the movie after seeing it in the visual dictionnary (where the picture you just posted is from (right?)) and after much squinting (thanks Bradford Young, director of photography for making it so dang DARK) you can barelly see it in front of the masked player with the flat, asian-like hat/helmet. This is in fact a guy called Steven Bridges, he's a street magician hired to teach the actors hand tricks so they looked like experienced card players. He's actually the one seen in the featurette, explaining the use of the "counter block"'s "honest stones". (More on him here:
maybe we could ask him?)
Your dimensions seem about right to me, assuming the dice were made from regular blank 16mm dice, B should be 83,5 mm and the rod's gauge 5,5mm although I'm not sure if this is a standardized size (the trick will be to know if it's imperial or metric system... is 0.2 inch gauge wire a thing? does anyone know where these props where made?)
For the stones I was thinking about carving them by hand or making a 3D model, then make molds with resin. Maybe adding thermal pigments to the resin.
Actually my first though upon seeing that image was hiding an arduino-based electromagnetic field detector in the box (from what I've seen so far this would only work with cellphones at short range but it could be a nice touch!) and have it slightly heat the rod (30C/86F) or light some LEDs inside the stones (although they wouldn't be able to move then) but the thing is:
What is that block really supposed to do?
I know it's stated the "Honest Stones" are used to prevent cheating, but in the featurette they're just a rounds counter... I suspect their name and function has been invented or "retconed" for the visual dictionary and I'm just overcomplicating what is in essence a wooden block with a rod and some plastic aquarium rocks.
I searched it in the movie after seeing it in the visual dictionnary (where the picture you just posted is from (right?)) and after much squinting (thanks Bradford Young, director of photography for making it so dang DARK) you can barelly see it in front of the masked player with the flat, asian-like hat/helmet. This is in fact a guy called Steven Bridges, he's a street magician hired to teach the actors hand tricks so they looked like experienced card players. He's actually the one seen in the featurette, explaining the use of the "counter block"'s "honest stones". (More on him here:
Your dimensions seem about right to me, assuming the dice were made from regular blank 16mm dice, B should be 83,5 mm and the rod's gauge 5,5mm although I'm not sure if this is a standardized size (the trick will be to know if it's imperial or metric system... is 0.2 inch gauge wire a thing? does anyone know where these props where made?)
For the stones I was thinking about carving them by hand or making a 3D model, then make molds with resin. Maybe adding thermal pigments to the resin.
Actually my first though upon seeing that image was hiding an arduino-based electromagnetic field detector in the box (from what I've seen so far this would only work with cellphones at short range but it could be a nice touch!) and have it slightly heat the rod (30C/86F) or light some LEDs inside the stones (although they wouldn't be able to move then) but the thing is:
What is that block really supposed to do?
I know it's stated the "Honest Stones" are used to prevent cheating, but in the featurette they're just a rounds counter... I suspect their name and function has been invented or "retconed" for the visual dictionary and I'm just overcomplicating what is in essence a wooden block with a rod and some plastic aquarium rocks
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Arconic
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Haha, while doing research for the Sabacc deck myself, I was looking at how to create the dice, deck box, betting chips and wood block as well and came to almost the same size conclusions as yourself, going off the dice's assumed size.
I was actually thinking of making one and hollowing it out, and having the wood block have a drawer or something inside so deck, box, dice and chips could all go away inside and then if you wanted to play everything you needed was all together. The block is a bit tight though, so once you'd factored for draw thickness, there wasn't much space for anything, haha.
Most likely made by UK props teams since it was filmed at Pinewood.
I'd be super interested in figuring out the rocks. I bet there are some fake gems sellers on etsy or something that might do something like it, with the speckling inside. As for what they do, I figure round counting is the more obvious practical use and yeah, it was retconed for the visual dictionary.
I was actually thinking of making one and hollowing it out, and having the wood block have a drawer or something inside so deck, box, dice and chips could all go away inside and then if you wanted to play everything you needed was all together. The block is a bit tight though, so once you'd factored for draw thickness, there wasn't much space for anything, haha.
Most likely made by UK props teams since it was filmed at Pinewood.
I'd be super interested in figuring out the rocks. I bet there are some fake gems sellers on etsy or something that might do something like it, with the speckling inside. As for what they do, I figure round counting is the more obvious practical use and yeah, it was retconed for the visual dictionary.
Protoss
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Thanks a lot boys!
The picture is indeed from the visual dictionary. I "cleaned" it up a little to highlight the block.
I think the dice are custom made. To me the right one looks a tad larger. (on the picture from the Star Wars Show it's the left one)
IMHO basing the measurements on those will also bring some inaccuracies...
But honestly I personally do think 80, 84 or 83,5mm is all close enough.
Only the length difference of 180 to 150 mm seems to be considerable.
I based the length (of 150 mm or ~ 6 inch) on the "16" mm dice and my 116 mm (x75mm x 33mm) card deck holder.
Thinking about that the card holder should define the measures of the block.
So if your holders are larger or smaller I suggest adjusting the measurements of your block.
The stones/beads/rocks are indeed a puzzle. By now I was not able to find anything similar.
The picture is indeed from the visual dictionary. I "cleaned" it up a little to highlight the block.
I think the dice are custom made. To me the right one looks a tad larger. (on the picture from the Star Wars Show it's the left one)
IMHO basing the measurements on those will also bring some inaccuracies...
But honestly I personally do think 80, 84 or 83,5mm is all close enough.
Only the length difference of 180 to 150 mm seems to be considerable.
I based the length (of 150 mm or ~ 6 inch) on the "16" mm dice and my 116 mm (x75mm x 33mm) card deck holder.
Thinking about that the card holder should define the measures of the block.
So if your holders are larger or smaller I suggest adjusting the measurements of your block.
The stones/beads/rocks are indeed a puzzle.
By now I was not able to find anything similar.
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