Lightning
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the flipside of this is "the Tiffany Problem" where certain words, phases, items, ect. are older than most people think, so using them correctly would break immersion.
Things you're tired of seeing in movies
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the flipside of this is "the Tiffany Problem" where certain words, phases, items, ect. are older than most people think, so using them correctly would break immersion.
Nobody talked that way even when Bill S. wrote it. It's a sonnet!
ScourgiousJinx
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nvm.
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The Goon
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True, but if I'd used a description like "Iambic Pentameter" to explain my point most of the members here would have had to take time to look that up, read it, understand it, then come back to reply...or not. At the time is seemed easier to give an example, even if it wasn't completely correct.
Movies where there's an alien invasion or something similar and the one scientist who has the tech to fight the aliens is a pacifist who refuses to help. Everyone else is like "Oh well, bye" and not "You're under arrest until you help us." At that point rights and laws would be out the window. You can die if you want, but not at the expense of the human race.
Any particular films you're thinking of?
I just wanna see less stereotyping in intense situations in general.
Naive curious scientists with no common sense - that's a bad one. Really overdone.
I wish more of those characters would say "It's amazing! We've discovered a fascinating alien species of predator! Now let's kill this thing before it takes over our brains and lays eggs in our butts."
Naive curious scientists with no common sense - that's a bad one. Really overdone.
I wish more of those characters would say "It's amazing! We've discovered a fascinating alien species of predator! Now let's kill this thing before it takes over our brains and lays eggs in our butts."
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I just watched 3 Body Problem and I was talking about Augie.
This is probably sexist
The latter is the whole reason, especially in 2024. In fact in 2024 if you see "Nudity" in the rating, it's most likely going to be some dude's butt.
. . . and everybody is nostalgic about the 1980s-1990s, when naked boobies reigned.
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Bloop
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Yeah, I go back-and-forth on Sorkin - some shows/movies work for me, but others don't. I liked "The West Wing," but I hated the forced patter of "Sports Night," which tried to hard to be a comedy. "Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip" was another that, while primarily a drama, failed at a lot of its attempts at humor. Even "West Wing" had its problems.
I realized Sorkin tends to write everyone the same, with the same type of "voice." It gets old fast. Good actors can help create some more differencesbetween his characters, but not always. And I got tired of the scenes of one person "taking down" another person with some withering barbs and facts, which just felt more like Sorkin writing out his personal fantasies. Like, the protagonist would be confronted by an antagonist, and come up with the "perfect" things to shut them up. But in real life, that doesn't really happen. People in arguments don't usually just clam up when someone else tries to put them in their place. It's like when people think back on a confrontation they had with someone and decide "I should've said this instead!"
Bloop
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On a related note, when you see women going to bed (just to go to sleep) in full makeup and their hair styled, and also wearing a bra. No woman sleeps that way. It happens on TV more than in movies (for obvious reasons), but it isn't realistic. The idea that women have to constantly be made-up and wear clothing to enhance their looks and hide their flaws to be considered beautiful is something that keeps being perpetuated.This is probably sexist
Women get it worse but I don't think the issue is female-specific. People just never get shown looking bad in Hollywood, period. Not unless it's necessary for dramatic purposes. Tons of male characters get shown doing dirty/labor jobs with their hair all styled and clothes that show off their muscles.
Similar to this, every movie and TV show when people go to bed with the curtains open, no wonder there is a problem with sleep, rooms aren't dark enough to actually get to sleep.
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Too Much Garlic
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Guess you haven't seen many older films. It's a more recent thing that even extras in the background are super hot and no normal looking people. Sure... wokeness goes too hard towards the below average look... I kinda prefer a more diverse looking cast - not just racial. At least they can't do the woke video game character look where the women have male jaws that is pushed too forward, so they can't even speak properly and male chests and body proportions - being actually truly disrespectful to women and saying a man is the perfect female shape... eek.Stop with all the ugly people...!! I swear since the planet when woke, there's more average looking people on the screens.
If I want reality, I go straight to the mirror and get the ugly...!!
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I think some of that issue is caused by honest mistakes. People naturally tend to draw other people looking too much like themselves. It's an observed phenomenon.
The video game industry has traditionally been full of male artists. And when they design a bunch of characters for years, the vast majority are going to be athletic men, which reinforces the habit even more.
We also live in a time/place where many idealized female forms lean a bit masculine. Female models trend on the tall side, with shoulders that are on the broad side for a woman, strong cheekbones, etc. The "pornstar body" is heavier on the female traits, but that is not what Hollywood casting directors usually want when they search for a new female lead star.
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Too Much Garlic
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It is not the usual game developers who force in the new "female" standard where they are women in name only, but basically has a male physique and face. Before, sure, the characters could sometimes be a little too sexualized, but at least they still looked like women. I don't mind the less curvaceous form for women... I sometimes prefer it over the over-sexualized exaggerated one. But the fact that you now can rarely create a decent looking female character in Western games, and how the facial animation is broken to the point where they cannot even speak properly without looking like a goober fish... that's taking things a step too far. It's said it is done for diversity... but there is NO diversity if they all look the same and masculine.
If Hollywood wants diverse casts, they should probably look to European films.
If Hollywood wants diverse casts, they should probably look to European films.
drusselmeyer
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Or they can start hiring more Americans for leads.
If diction and speech therapy were taught in schools, we would have more US actors that could take leading roles.
drusselmeyer
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And about male faces...have you looked at the statue of Liberty lately?
Ever since I was a child, I could never see a female face on that statue. Later, I would learn why, but before that I was always bothered by it.
Ever since I was a child, I could never see a female face on that statue. Later, I would learn why, but before that I was always bothered by it.
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