What did Wendy Froud / Wendy Midener contribute to Yoda's creation and development?

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I believe these were posted in an old thread here. Hopefully they are useful.

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Great thread. SO much fun info!

Nick
 
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Awesome thread!! Really enjoyed going through all the info and pic's. To me personally, it doesn't matter that much who did what in the process.
When something is really good, it will stand on it's own, and eventually have a life on it's own. That definitely goes for Yoda.
 
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Thank you for the info!
 
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I was just at Where Science Meets Imagination, and there is a Info tablet stating that Albert Einstein also contributed to Yoda's appearance (i.e. his 'eye wrinkles').
 
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I was just at Where Science Meets Imagination, and there is a Info tablet stating that Albert Einstein also contributed to Yoda's appearance (i.e. his 'eye wrinkles').

That info originates from an interview with me years ago for my old site CineSecrets.com. You will find it now posted at The making of Yoda part I
 
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Nick, or Mr. Maley, whichever you prefer
my post wasn't meant to belittle anyone's contribution, but was a response to this post:

True. And yet that is exactly what that quote on her website claims--that Yoda is "her most widely known creation". What a crock of $hit. Stuart is the only person in the world that can truthfully say that he created Yoda. Created in the physical sense, that is. Frank Oz could also truthfully claim that he created Yoda, but only in the personality/performance sense.

I hear that the Froud's are at Comic-Con each year with their own booth. I may pay 'em a visit in July and tell 'em what I think of the claims on their website.

The Wook

I 'm not that big a Star Wars, but I am a huge Dark Crystal fan, and have met and spoken at length with both Wendy and Brian Froud.

The only thing that I wanted to point out was that her contribution was pretty significant to the final version of Yoda.

Your own website says:

"Wendy was the only person who’s task was solely devoted to Yoda. (Stuart, Graham and I all had responsibilities developing other characters too). Wendy’s contribution creating the character was second only to Stuart who was overseeing ALL the creatures. She single handedly formed the body out of 1 inch sheet foam. She constructed the puppet armature from wooden dowel which gave structure to Yoda’s arms and legs. If I remember correctly, she also modeled Yoda’s hands and feet and single handedly fabricated the “stand-in Yoda”, made entirely from cut foam, which was used to line up shots during camera setup. I do remember her spending some time working on the clay model of Yoda’s head too. But that was for a small part of the 5 months Stu spent on the modeling stage.
At that time, the Muppets had not produced any on screen characters with mechanical eyes, eye lids etc and I don’t recall Wendy having any direct involvement in the complex animatronics for Yoda’s expressive eyes that Stuart spent months developing. But it was Wendy who came up with the technique to operate Yoda’s ears, which she fitted to the prototype and I adopted on the 4th back-up Yoda which I built for the scenes training Luke on Degobah."


(thoseYodaGuys.com)


so, when you assist in sculpting the face, build the body, do the arms and legs, as well as the hands and feet, the ear mechanism, and build the stand in puppet, I think that's a pretty significant contribution. Wouldn't you agree?



Regardless of studio politics or not, by your own account it does sound like she did EARN the title of "Yoda Fabricator".



The only point of my post was to get some of the hairier members here to put down their torches and pitchforks, and give some credit where I felt it was due. No offense was intended or implied, and I have nothing but respect for the creations Stuart Freeborn and others have made.



I do have to add that as a sculptor myself, I hold Wendy Froud's talent and work in awe.


peace
 
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A lot of trouble, all about a little green frog. :love
 
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The only thing that I wanted to point out was that her contribution was pretty significant to the final version of Yoda.

But that isn't what you said. You jumped to a lot of conclusions and put down the Stu's work without knowing the facts.
so, when you assist in sculpting the face, build the body, do the arms and legs, as well as the hands and feet, the ear mechanism, and build the stand in puppet, I think that's a pretty significant contribution. Wouldn't you agree?

And isn't that exactly what I said?... in response to others here who chose to put down HER work... and claim they should confront her about what they PRESUMED were false claims. That is what spurred my to publish http://thoseYodaGuys.com. This shouldn't have been a competition. Wendy's work speaks for itself. So does Stu's... there is enough praise for all of us that were involved... in whatever way.

I think the most important lesson here is to understand that there is rarely one person who contributes everything to any job. Normally there is a leader who steers others through the creation process and many individuals who can rightly claim to have contributed to the success of a project without being liars or fraudulent. I advise all concerned not to pick sides on the basis of a few snippets of here-say and a lot of assumptions. And I am not pointing that remark only at you.

peace
 
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I have a video with Mr. Freeborn messing around with the one of the armatures eyes. He uses his finger to slide a clear form over the top part of the eye. I'm guessing this clear shell is used to control the upper eyelid movement,

I would need to see that video to comment. I can say that there were several test mechs built for the eyes. But I remember none with a clear shell like you describe. However, I did not see the final mech Stu built for the Yoda puppet in Return of the Jedi and videos in later "making of" videos can be out of sequence.

but it confuses me because I thought the eyes had a clear cover over them in the film so they could move around underneath this clear shell without disturbing/moving the latex eyelids.

That isn't correct

My biggest issue in regards to replicating the armature is related to a lack of reference images and more in-depth information.

There are only a few polaroids (of the prototype Yoda mech) left that don't show enough detail to work from. It was a work constantly in progress. And there are no photos of the mech for the version I built with Bob Keen. That was built right into the skull. It wasn't detachable like Stu's

It looks like the eyes are attached to a bar with system that allows the puppeteer to use a single finger to slide the bar up, down, left, and right, to move the eyes around.

I have no idea how the eyelids would be triggered/controlled,

The eyes and eyelids were both cable operated. The only hand inside was Frank's, (most of the time), and he did not operate the eyes or lids or ears.

what kind of set up is used with those three holes on the top of the armatures head to move the eyebrows and the bridge of the nose around, or what that pink colored tape looking stuff is for.

The holes simply allowed Frank's fingers to reach the skin where rubber cups allowed location points for his fingertips. The pink tape (which comes from photos of the prototype and wasn't used greatly on the back-up version), is velcro, used to stabilize the skin in areas. My version didn't use velcro around the eyes. Only at the very top of the forehead and the cheekbones.


This image isn't accurate. You show a hollow shell. But the interior was a negative of the back of Frank's hand. It sat on his knuckles. There was no strap such as you show. The skull was in one piece. Not split as you show it.
 
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Thanks again :)

Here's the video.

YouTube - stuandyoda.flv

The clear shell form shows up 34 seconds into it. The copper belt like strap is visible in this scene as well.


I have another version of this video without the watermark, but I'm having trouble finding it.

I blame this image for my decision to split my attempt into 2 parts.
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Ah, I saw that segment. I think the split was caused by Frank Oz dropping it on the floor. I believe it is mentioned in the long ESB segment on the extra disc in the dvd set.
 
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Hi Nick, not sure if you'll ever see this, but I feel compelled to respond to you regardless.

First of all, thank you for chiming in here at our prop forum. It's always a nice treat when someone who worked on our favorite films (The Empire Strikes Back, in this case) shares their film experiences with us.

But I must take umbrage with you. Twice in this thread, you have criticized me for putting down Wendy's contribution to Yoda's creation, and you've questioned my hope that one day I'd very much like to run into Wendy at Comic-Con, and challenge her directly, on the outrageous claim she makes on her website: "Wendy (Midener) Froud was hired to sculpt Yoda and is credited as Yoda Fabricator. Yoda (performed by Frank Oz) became a central figure throughout the Star War series, becoming Wendy's most widely known creation.".

I maintain...what a crock! Yoda is NOT Wendy's creation.

I know full well that Stuart had a team of fabricators he hired, and to whom he delegated various tasks. And I have no doubt that Wendy, with her muppet-building expertise, was delegated by Stuart to sculpt/fabricate the hands and feet, as well as build the puppet armature underneath the robe. If she also contributed an ear mechanism that had been successfully used on muppets, I'll take your word for it. I'll concede, that all of this constitutes a significant contribution to the fabrication of Yoda. HOWEVER, this falls so far short of Yoda being HER creation, it doesn't even pass the giggle test. Everyone knows, or ought to know, that Stuart sculpted Yoda's head/face--which is the absolute most important part of the creation. It's that glorious face everyone pictures when they think of the Jedi Master--a face born out of the creative genius of Stuart Freeborn, and sculpted by his very own hands.

Nick, I'll tell you one person who agreed with me that Wendy's claim on her website is outrageous and patently false...Stuart Freeborn himself. Yes, Stuart was with me when we stumbled upon Wendy's website together. (I had the good fortune of becoming close friends with Stu and Kathy Freeborn during the last decade of their lives. We talked on the phone regularly, and they hosted me in their home in England on multiple occasions, putting me up in their spare bedroom up to a week at a time.) Had I not been with Stuart, I probably never would've found her website. You see, I was a Chewbacca expert, not a Yoda expert, and so I was not likely to go researching Yoda on the net.

But during this particular visit, Stu asked me to help him read his fan mail. Every week he would receive dozens of letters from fans all over the world, and I was amazed that 9 out of every 10 letters were about Yoda. :lol I thought Chewie would've gotten a little more love, but Stu pointed out I was biased, and he was right. lol Anyway, he always took great pride in the enduring love that fans had for Yoda, and so I decided to take him surfing on the net, to show him what a huge presence Yoda had in cyberspace. Stu's face lit up like a kid in a candy store...until we stumbled upon one website: Wendy's. I read aloud to Stu her claim that Yoda was her creation, and he was livid. As was Kathy.

So yes, if I ever run into Wendy at Comic-Con, I will tell her what she can do with her absurd claim. Sure, I'll say it politely, I'm always a gentleman. But I won't mince words, either.

Hopefully that won't be necessary. Hopefully you Nick, or someone else, will show her this thread, and she'll remove that outrageous claim. Here, I'll even re-write it for her:

"Wendy (Midener) Froud was hired by Stuart Freeborn (the film's chief make-up artist, who created and sculpted Yoda) to assist making Yoda into a workable puppet for her Henson Workshop colleague, Frank Oz, who was hired to perform Yoda. She also sculpted Yoda's hands and feet, and is credited as Yoda Fabricator. Yoda became a central figure throughout the Star War series, becoming the most widely known character Wendy worked on during her illustrious career.".

Now THAT is a claim she can be proud of, because not only is it impressive, but it has the added virtue of being true.

The Wook
 
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