Accident on the set of Rust.

[Moviefreak]

How many years should Alec Baldwin get? Anything south of 100 would imply that money was more important than a young woman’s life.

I’m sure you can explain to her son that Baldwin should be a Crusader and not be held to account because he is special

Are you actually saying he should get nothing south of 100 years in prison for this? So life in prison is what he deserves? He didn’t premeditate a murder here. This negligible manslaughter at best as, even though he made a mistake by not checking the gun, it was an accidental shooting.

And if that is what they go with, in New Mexico, here are the sentencing guidelines:

 

[TazMan2000]

TazMan2000

 

[gregory]

Wrong:

Answer to How do movie prop guns work? What went wrong on the set with Alec Baldwin? by Nelson McKeeby How do movie prop guns work? What went wrong on the set with Alec Baldwin?

Nightwind1 Not quite so sure what I said to bring you to the state of angry emoji.

Please let me know what I did to upset you so.

As for your post I’m assuming you wouldn’t be quoting a middle-aged Writer/Republican/Quaker/Historian/
Dungeon Master/former L.E.O./ if you knew anything about firearms.

Truth is he seems knowledgeable with regard to a wide array of topics. He is right about many of the things he says about semi-auto firearms and they pertain to Brandon Lee’s tragic death. Some of what he says about SAA’s popping balloons etc is true as well. I mean the load for this type of shooting is different than that found in the film industry.

Copper jacketed ammunition does not apply here (although there are reports that the firearm was an antique Colt SAA others say a Pietta the bullet heads are most likely 45 Colt not 44-40, 44 or .357. and they are certainly bare lead non jacketed rounds.

The longest word you can type on the top row of your keyboard is "typewriter".

The CN Tower is a 553.3 m-high concrete communications and observation tower located in the downtown core of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Built on the former Railway Lands, it was completed in 1976. Its name "CN" originally referred to Canadian National, the railway company that built the tower.

What do all these things have in common? They are all inconsequential with regard to this senseless tragedy.

The only thing that is important to understand is there is no excuse for not personally checking a firearm when it comes into your possession. Don’t like the rules, that’s fine, just keep your hands off the firearm.

Cowboy Action Shooting Sports practitioners can use a combination of rounds at different times. Live rounds, light powder charge loads, blanks, special milled out primer pockets to accept shotgun primers in standard cartridge case loaded with wax for quick draw. All this goes off without a hitch because we follow the rules use common sense gun handling practices and show the firearms and each other the proper respect.

Oh, and turn that frown, upside down chum.

 

[Lord Boron]

That’s funny, I always thought there had to be a full investigation, charges filed, and a trial of some sort before prison sentences were considered. Or am I getting the United States confused with North Korea?

 

[gregory]

Are you actually saying he should get nothing south of 100 years in prison for this? So life in prison is what he deserves? He didn’t premeditate a murder here. This negligible manslaughter at best as, even though he made a mistake by not checking the gun, it was an accidental shooting.

And if that is what they go with, in New Mexico, here are the sentencing guidelines:

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Are you actually saying he should get nothing south of 100 years in prison for this? So life in prison is what he deserves? He didn’t premeditate a murder here. This negligible manslaughter at best as, even though he made a mistake by not checking the gun, it was an accidental shooting.

And if that is what they go with, in New Mexico, here are the sentencing guidelines:

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I think you know very well that I was trying to illustrate a point. I do not know what the appropriate sentence should be but it should be no less than 5 years if the court wishes to set a precedent that will deter this sort of event in the future.

I am happy that hear you accept the action was indeed man slaughter if we can give Halyna Hutchins the benefit of the doubt and accept she was in no way deserving of her untimely demise, then the term innocent is not out of place and my previous sentiment which did offend so many might not be so outrageous or insane.

Please keep in mind I have not made statements to the effect that other members are insane. I feel I have comported myself respectfully. My intention was to inform not to upset anyone.

 

[Moviefreak]

That’s funny, I always thought there had to be a full investigation, charges filed, and a trial of some sort before prison sentences were considered. Or am I getting the United States confused with North Korea?

Nope you are 100% correct. People here are just wanting to convict AB of first degree murder, and call what he did, “the slaughtering of innocent people”. There is no desire by some to wait until all facts have come in, and a prosecutor, let alone a judge and jury, evaluate the evidence and make a decision.

 

[Moviefreak]

Are you actually saying he should get nothing south of 100 years in prison for this? So life in prison is what he deserves? He didn’t premeditate a murder here. This negligible manslaughter at best as, even though he made a mistake by not checking the gun, it was an accidental shooting.


I think you know very well that I was trying to illustrate a point. I do not know what the appropriate sentence should be but it should be no less than 5 years if the court wishes to set a precedent that will deter this sort of event in the future.

I am happy that hear you accept the action was indeed man slaughter if we can give Halyna Hutchins the benefit of the doubt and accept she was in no way deserving of her untimely demise, then the term innocent is not out of place and my previous sentiment which did offend so many might not be so outrageous or insane.

Please keep in mind I have not made statements to the effect that other members are insane. I feel I have comported myself respectfully. My intention was to inform not to upset anyone.

I would never say she deserved her untimely demise. And I’m not saying one way or the other if AB will be held to negligible manslaughter, as the prosecutor will decide that. People before him may end up with those charges for all we know. But… I don’t think I have heard anyone state that a she deserved this.

 

[dascoyne]

 

[Axlotl]

The only thing that is important to understand is there is no excuse for not personally checking a firearm when it comes into your possession.

So, when my friend Alice, who has never even held a gun before, much less fired one, shot my friend Rick's television after he handed her a loaded gun - without telling her it was loaded... she's 100% responsible, because she should have known how to unload a gun she's never handled before, and Rick is completely off the hook, because even though he gave her a loaded gun, it was her responsibility to clear it, whether she knows how to or not? Am I reading that right?

It is YOUR responsibility as a responsible gun owner NOT to give people loaded guns. Just as it was the armorer's responsibility, and the AD's responsibility, to NOT give AB a loaded gun.

I agree this accident could have been avoided if AB had cleared the gun himself. But he shouldn't have had to. This was a movie set, not a shooting range. There shouldn't have been a single live bullet anywhere near that set.

 

[mattycsi]

So, when my friend Alice, who has never even held a gun before, much less fired one, shot my friend Rick's television after he handed her a loaded gun - without telling her it was loaded... she's 100% responsible, because she should have known how to unload a gun she's never handled before, and Rick is completely off the hook, because even though he gave her a loaded gun, it was her responsibility to clear it, whether she knows how to or not? Am I reading that right?

It is YOUR responsibility as a responsible gun owner NOT to give people loaded guns. Just as it was the armorer's responsibility, and the AD's responsibility, to NOT give AB a loaded gun.

I agree this accident could have been avoided if AB had cleared the gun himself. But he shouldn't have had to. This was a movie set, not a shooting range. There shouldn't have been a single live bullet anywhere near that set.

1st off, I wanna go to one of your parties!

2nd, shh! You're gonna derail the lynching! I got my torch all ready to light and everything!

 

[DarthWilder]

Yikes! Alice should never have touched that weapon in the first place. They even teach toddlers around here how to yell to a grown-up and never touch a gun if they happen to find one. In fact, this just happened in our second grade class during a field trip... a child found a gun in the woods between two rocks, and the seven-year-old immediately told a teacher without touching the weapon. Alice should have had the same sense as a pre-schooler!

Yes, Alice is 100% responsible. But Rick is a super a**h***, too.

 

[Moviefreak]

Yikes! Alice should never have touched that weapon in the first place. They even teach toddlers here how to yell to a grown-up and never touch a gun if they happen to find one. In fact, this just happened in our second grade class during a field trip... a child found a gun in the woods between two rocks, and the seven-year-old immediately told a teacher without touching the weapon. Alice should have had the same sense as a pre-schooler!

Yes, Alice is 100% responsible. But Rick is a super jerk, too.

But the gun owner handed it to her, so she trusted that responsible owner knew what he was doing and he probably cleared it. Maybe he even stated, “don’t worry, it’s not loaded”. So she trusted the person handing it to her, and that person wasn’t the person PAID to check the gun in the first place. AB trusted that the PAID AD and Armorer did their job.

 

[DarthWilder]

But the gun owner handed it to her, so she trusted that responsible owner knew what he was doing and he probably cleared it. Maybe he even stated, “don’t worry, it’s not loaded”. So she trusted the person handing it to her, and that person wasn’t the person PAID to check the gun in the first place. AB trusted that the PAID AD and Armorer did their job.

It's called "personal responsibility". We're talking about adults here. If I gave you a hand grenade and said "pull the pin", then would you? And who's fault would the aftermath be?

Many people have gone to jail or been held responsible after a friend gave them a gun they thought was empty, and then they pulled the trigger injuring/killing someone!

 

[Moviefreak]

It's called "personal responsibility". We're talking about adults here. If I gave you a hand grenade, and said "pull the pin", then would you? And who's fault would the aftermath be?

Many people have gone to jail or been held responsible after a friend gave them a gun they thought was empty, and they injured/killed someone!

You need to separate real life vs making movies. Yes, in a real life situation, if I was handed a grenade and I pulled the pin… I would be responsible. But on a movie set, where they hire people to handle all of those props and that hired person hand it to me, and claims it is cold… that makes this a whole different beast.

What we do know is that there was a line of responsibility that failed, up to, and yes… including AB, so we need to view this case objectively. The trying to paint AB as the sole person at fault, and sensationalizing things with comments like “the slaughter of innocent people”, and proclaim he should be locked up for 100 years, really needs to stop. We don’t know what the investigation will find, or who the prosecutor feels is more culpable in this.

 

[Lightning]

Alice should never have touched that weapon in the first place.

Using that logic no one could ever learn to use guns at all because at some point it would require touching a gun before you are fully trained to use it.

 

[DarthWilder]

You need to separate real life vs making movies. Yes, in a real life situation, if I was handed a grenade and I pulled the pin… I would be responsible. But on a movie set, where they hire people to handle all of those props and that hired person hand it to me, and claims it is cold… that makes this a whole different beast.

What we do know is that there was a line of responsibility that failed, up to, and yes… including AB, so we need to view this case objectively. The trying to paint AB as the sole person at fault, and sensationalizing things with comments like “the slaughter of innocent people”, and proclaim he should be locked up for 100 years, really needs to stop. We don’t know what the investigation will find, or who the prosecutor feels is more culpable in this.

I guess the disconnect here is that I firmly believe that even a movie set is still in the real world.

 

[DarthWilder]

Using that logic no one could ever learn to use guns at all because at some point it would require touching a gun before you are fully trained to use it.

Have you ever taken a firearms safety course? Because the first thing they teach you is the four immutable safety rules and THEN how to clear a weapon. And that lesson is BEFORE you even get to touch a gun. When it's time to finally handle a gun, the instructor will clear the weapon with the action open, and then you are handed the gun and expected to do the same check to show it is unloaded. This is standard operating procedure that even a five year old can understand.

 

[Axlotl]

Have you ever taken a firearms safety course? Because the first thing they teach you is the four immutable safety rules and THEN how to clear a weapon. And that lesson is BEFORE you even get to touch a gun. When it's time to finally handle a gun, the instructor will clear the weapon with the action open, and then you are handed the gun and expected to do the same check to show it is unloaded. This is standard operating procedure that even a five year old can understand.

Provided that 5 year old had taken a gun safety course.

I see a lot of "responsible" gun owners here who can't wait to absolve themselves of any responsibility as soon as their gun is in someone else's hands.
How is that responsible?

 

[Lord Boron]

It's called "personal responsibility". We're talking about adults here. If I gave you a hand grenade and said "pull the pin", then would you? And who's fault would the aftermath be?

Many people have gone to jail or been held responsible after a friend gave them a gun they thought was empty, and then they pulled the trigger injuring/killing someone!

That’s actually a good analagy. If the prop master handed an actor a “prop” hand grenade and said pull the pin, and it turned out to be a real grenade and exploded, who’s responsible. I would say the prop master.

 

[DarthWilder]

Provided that 5 year old had taken a gun safety course.

I see a lot of "responsible" gun owners here who can't wait to absolve themselves of any respinsibility as soon as their gun is in someone else's hands.
How is that responsible?

I agree! And not every five-year-old is the same, either.

As far as the teacher being responsible, I also agree. For example, too many gun owners will hand their new shooter friend a very large caliber first when they should start them with a .22. My five-year-old learned to shoot a .22 responsibly, but it was also a single shot.