I Hate CGI

All good points, i think i am legend is a film that missed the mark with its use of cg for the creatures, looked like bad cg to me every time they were on screen.
Now a combination of prosthetics and cg would have been better, at least more believable.
Now fox is going to redo the apes movie with cg apes, why? the last movie sucked but the apes looked great
 
What? CGI apes? WHY? Nothing wrong with the apes in the Burton flick. It wasn't the make up effects fault that the movie sucked donkey balls.
 
speaking of Weta, why hasn't LOTR been mentioned yet? there's a movie that embodies pretty much every "ideal" put forth in this thread so far. when i first saw Gollum in the theater i thought he was a real person.
or is it just a "the sky is blue and the Earth is round" kinda thing?
 
I thought the private military vehicles in Avatar looked pretty good...

Did they look better than similar vehicles in Aliens?

I don't think so....they acted more realistically, and interacted with the environment more realistically.
 
I loved the use of CGI in the 90s and 80s like in T2, the abyss, Willow and probably a few others. Now it's just everywhere and used for everything and its cheap looking.
 
For all you haters...

From an article on CBR the other day...

"Here's an interesting tidbit on the film (predators). Harry Knowles got producer Robert Rodriguez on the phone for an impromptu Q&A session at Wonderfest. Harry relays this from the session: "Robert gracefully began a 30-45 minute Q&A with the audience. Telling us that the CG is very minimal - and that there was just a single green screen shot in the entire production - otherwise - they built the environments and sets or found location. KNB built a ton or practical stuff - and the CG is enhancements mainly - and the "dogs" when they're running and dynamic. That went over very well with this MODEL orientated crowd." I prefer practical effects as well, so this is another reason for me to go and see the film."
 
Well I'm finally past my probationary period and have finally been able to read this thread.

All really great points, although I agree more with the one's that think the same like me, because they're more right.

Ollie Johnston, Milt Kahl, Don Bluth = True Artists.

That guy who worked the chrome shine on that robot's leg, the woman who did that smoke on that one movie, those 2 guys who wrote the program for a dangly phone cord = Puppeteers.


I like Cds, but I love Records.
 
I hate BAD CGI, and I think the overuse of CGI Sucks. I really do.

But Lord of the Rings used CGI very very well. Whereas George Lucas uses CGI very very badly. Which is ironic, because the actual Transformers in Transformers 1 looked amazing.

Overall, I think CGI Sucks. It is a tool, and it is overused. The washing out of color into this grey, what I call the "Harry Potter Grey," really irks me.

I am glad there are people like Del Toro who use CGI very well, as seen in Hellboy 2.

But no, CGI does suck. It really does. Bring back Harry and lets make everything stop motion. NOTHING will ever look as real as the model work in Star Trek WoK.




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I don't hate CGI at all, I hate bad CGI though.

I was never much a fan of stop motion, it always tended to distract me and 'pull me out of the moment'. Not saying it's not a major skill to pull off and that it can't look good when it's what makes up the entire show, but as an insert - not so much.

CGI these days may be cheaper, but the benefit is you can change things. The big detractor is that the powers the be know they can change things. I think the larger problem is directors and maybe producers don't realize that even though it's a computer it can take a really LONG time to render out a shot and get it to complete form where it's doesn't look fake. Too many want to tweak things up to the last second and it shows. You can't have ILM or Weta or DD or anyone redo a shot from scratch a week before having to finalize everthing and get a shot back that looks good. It just doesn't work that way.
 
Sorry.

The CGI Yoda in Eps 2 and 3 looks far more real than the muppet that appears in TESB & ROTJ.

It's simply a matter of application.

Don't blame the process, blame the "artists" and producers. Mostly the producers for thinking it cheaper and easier. It might be both of those but it's rarely better.

Let's not forget that after the groundbreaking work done on Star Wars that there were plenty of follow up movies that produced crappy effects based on the new technology.

Just because you own a hammer doesn't mean you know how to use it or swing it properly.
 
I don't have much to add, I just want to be on the record as saying (once again.) I loath CGI living things. I love well done CGI buildings, space shipps, and planets, etc. (though I love models more) But I LOATH CGI when it comes to anyting that is supposed to be alive. CGI Yoda sucked, CGI Jobba SUCKED, JAR-JAR SUCKED (well that wasn't just because of CGI. :lol) etc, etc, etc, I Hate it in any and all shows, and movies it is in, I'm listing star wars characters, because they are the first to come to mind as being awful.

Farscape was the only show to get it right, and use CGI where it should be used, and use Puppets where they should be used.

Do puppets, and latex/silicon applications, look 100% real. No, not really, but they have a tangible quality to them. They move in a way that is more believable to most folks. I think it's because they are limited by the same real word limitations as any real word item, but CGI has no laws, and that gives the artists to much freedom, and they take to much liberty with those freedoms. CGI characters will always look like CGI characters, there hasn't been one yet to fool me., and I doubt there ever will be.

I loath movies like transformers. They through all the limitations of real life out the window, and there is nothing believable about any of the transformations that take place in those films. They look more cartoony then the actual Transformers cartoon from the 80's. :lol

And does it seem ironic to anyone else that they wont bother to make real tangible items for movies any more, because of CGI, but then they turn around and make Prop "replicas", toys, and other tangible memorabilia for those same items.

Face it, pretty soon, the props we love in movies, and TV, will all be CGI. Then someone will realize how dumb it is that they turn around and make tangible collectibles based on them. In stead of going back to making real props the old way. they will just start selling every thing online, and when the box comes to your door, you will open it to find a CD, or Memory stick (with a 3D model of the "prop", on them), or just empty air for those that are sticklers for accuracy. :lol :(

Oh, god, I hate CGI. I'm just going to have to stop going to the movies, and watching sci-fi tv shows, and start watching the classics, over, and over again. :(
 
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micdavis said:
Sorry.
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It's simply a matter of application.

Don't blame the process, blame the "artists" and producers. Mostly the producers for thinking it cheaper and easier. It might be both of those but it's rarely better.

Just because you own a hammer doesn't mean you know how to use it or swing it properly.
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I bash CGI because it's fun, but Mic is right. I hated the resolution of digital camera images from the 1980s. I thought it would never replace film based cameras. We'll it has, and for $129 bucks at Costco. The resolution capabilities of CGI have surpassed practical models. I'd still prefer a physical model, but the capability is there for CGI. After resolution was resolved, the main problem became draftsmanship and budget. I think right now with CGI being outsourced to any hut on the globe, animators have to step their game up to be competitive.
 
Yeah, but actual film is still around. Hell, people have kept large format alive! Which reminds me, if you ever need a 4x5, I've got an old Graflex lying around I'd be happy to part with...
 
contec said:
and the TESB & ROTJ muppet looks more real than TPM muppet...:)
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Making my point more valid.

Everybody says they should use the muppet.

Oh yeah they did that in Ep.1 and it's freakin' horrible.

You can love TESB all you want. Yoda still looks like a muppet. I never bought into that at all. Looked like a muppet, walked like a muppet and practically has Fozzie Bear's voice.

"Found someone you have, wakka wakka."
 
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