Indiana Jones 5 officially announced
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When Indy ends up just as much of a coward as Luke ended up, it's no wonder fans are disillusioned about their favorite heroes. It's not much to ask that these legacies are treated with dignity which they aren't. Its just the popular trend to make every protagonist either some obnoxiously snarky smart ass or some cynical, bitter loser who gets upstaged by some unlikable younger newcomer. Not a smart formula and not an entertaining story.
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I didn't spend the last 2 years hate-watching the latest news about this movie and looking forward to its failure.
But as time draws near, if the rumors about tearing down the Indy character are true . . . . I feel like, yeah, go ahead and let it bomb. Hard. Let them lose $800 million on it.
Disney/LFL probably won't have enough humility & common sense to learn the right lessons from a bombing. But at least it's something. At least it's not rewarding them for doing this stuff.
But as time draws near, if the rumors about tearing down the Indy character are true . . . . I feel like, yeah, go ahead and let it bomb. Hard. Let them lose $800 million on it.
Disney/LFL probably won't have enough humility & common sense to learn the right lessons from a bombing. But at least it's something. At least it's not rewarding them for doing this stuff.
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The least interesting thing to me is a flawless hero
For me, what’s great is a hero who’s lost hope and finds it again.
*funny that no one seems to mind that MASTER Jedi Yoda had given up himself and was in hiding from the empire… that life didn’t go yoda’s way and so he ran away and refused - at first - to train their last hope…
Stories where the hero is a super hero and then becomes a bigger hero isn’t really my jam.
Also don’t judge movies til I’ve seen em - but I’m weird that way. And if I haven’t seen? No opinion.
For me, what’s great is a hero who’s lost hope and finds it again.
*funny that no one seems to mind that MASTER Jedi Yoda had given up himself and was in hiding from the empire… that life didn’t go yoda’s way and so he ran away and refused - at first - to train their last hope…
Stories where the hero is a super hero and then becomes a bigger hero isn’t really my jam.
Also don’t judge movies til I’ve seen em - but I’m weird that way. And if I haven’t seen? No opinion.
This.
If the franchises couldn't be left alone then they still should have been handled better. There were ways to do older-hero movies that weren't such downers.
Look at 'Crystal Skull'. Say what you want about aliens & nuked fridges, but they gave Indy a very happy ending and they didn't spend 2 hours tearing him down first.
I’ll see a lot of things, just because ya never know! I watched Andor even though I HATED Rogue One… and thank god - best Star Wars since the OT.
There’s no telling what the right writer and director (and a team that just happens to fire on all cylinders right down to Final Cut) can pull off…
Mangold makes great stuff. Waller Bridge was in two great shows… Harrison is Harrison. Why wouldn’t someone want to see it? Cuz a guy with a toilet on his head “heard” (made up) a rumor?
For example: This weeks fun in movies - good and bad;
- Saw guardians 3 for the 4th time with my two buddies who came into town. We had drinks after and talked about the flick for hours. Great time!
- Saw the little mermaid with my GF - she liked it, I didn’t care for it. She had fun, I drank Coke Zero, then we ate sushi after (in theme) and compared and contrasted to the original…
- Saw “The Machine” with my GF. Laughed out loud a bunch… overall pretty bad… but got a few chuckles, and a long convo about comedies in theatres with a guy I met outside.
Would I say mermaid and Bert were something I liked and would watch again? No… did I have fun with the experience? Yup! And next week I’ll look at what’s playing and check out something rando…
I barely visit these threads anymore cuz I just don’t get the constant anger. Off the internet I hang primarily with film people and it’s mostly positive and fun - even while the WGA strike is bleeding our bank accounts with work holdups…and then I come here and it’s just so negative.
Don’t get it
There’s no telling what the right writer and director (and a team that just happens to fire on all cylinders right down to Final Cut) can pull off…
Mangold makes great stuff. Waller Bridge was in two great shows… Harrison is Harrison. Why wouldn’t someone want to see it? Cuz a guy with a toilet on his head “heard” (made up) a rumor?
For example: This weeks fun in movies - good and bad;
- Saw guardians 3 for the 4th time with my two buddies who came into town. We had drinks after and talked about the flick for hours. Great time!
- Saw the little mermaid with my GF - she liked it, I didn’t care for it. She had fun, I drank Coke Zero, then we ate sushi after (in theme) and compared and contrasted to the original…
- Saw “The Machine” with my GF. Laughed out loud a bunch… overall pretty bad… but got a few chuckles, and a long convo about comedies in theatres with a guy I met outside.
Would I say mermaid and Bert were something I liked and would watch again? No… did I have fun with the experience? Yup! And next week I’ll look at what’s playing and check out something rando…
I barely visit these threads anymore cuz I just don’t get the constant anger. Off the internet I hang primarily with film people and it’s mostly positive and fun - even while the WGA strike is bleeding our bank accounts with work holdups…and then I come here and it’s just so negative.
Don’t get it
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So basically we all HAVE become like our childhood heroes.Its just the popular trend to make every protagonist either some obnoxiously snarky smart ass or some cynical, bitter loser who gets upstaged by some unlikable younger newcomer.You know how we we roll. Just a bunch of old, bitter, haters.
LOL
Just messing with you buddy.
There’s a lot of false equivalencies suddenly being found in this thread of late…
Yeah, this is pretty much narrow-minded me…taking pleasure in finding things that suck:
Yeah, this is pretty much narrow-minded me…taking pleasure in finding things that suck:
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Yup
drusselmeyer
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I can't wait for Indy 6!
joberg
Legendary Member
I've been watching movies for 58 years and worked with my Father and his team (amateur circuit in Europe) for 15 years...and I love cinema/movies of almost every genre and in every aspect of the craft: writing, acting, costumes/props/model design, pre-production, principal photography, post production, etc...
There's always hope that what the pros will produce are going to worth your while (and your hard earned $$)! I must admit that I've become, somewhat, jaded or maybe tired of the general "laissez aller" of the major studios in terms of original stories. It's not because your production quality is not good; it's just the lazy writing and the numerous sequels that are getting to me. The talents can only do so much with a lousy screenplay...and, in the end, despite the quality of the production it's really a crumbling façade with a nice coat of paint.
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If you have been watching the same movie for 58 years, maybe you should try another one? Lots of good ones out there.I've been watching movie for 58 years and worked with my Father and his team (amateur circuit in Europe) for 15 years...and I love cinema/movies of almost every genre and in every aspect of the craft: writing, acting, costumes/props/model design, pre-production, principal photography, post production, etc...
There's always hope that what the pros will produce are going to worth your while (and your hard earned $$)! I must admit that I've become, somewhat, jaded or maybe tired of the general "laissez aller" of the major studios in terms of original stories. It's not because your production quality is not good; it's just the lazy writing and the numerous sequels that are getting to me. The talents can only do so much with a lousy screenplay...and, in the end, despite the quality of the production it's really a crumbling façade with a nice coat of paint.
HMSwolfe
Master Member
I’ve seen several articles describing critical reactions to the film’s premiere at Cannes, as well as a lot of “hearsay/rumors/leaks/etc.”, and I know that it’s unlikely that the film will be that good. But I also can’t help but feel it could still be good. Lucasfilm’s track record (for this entire century, in fact) has not been great. But I liked Solo. I liked Andor. I liked (parts) of the Mandalorian. And I’ve really liked every Mangold film I’ve seen. (I guess with the exception of Oliver and Company. He’s credited as one of the screenwriters. Go figure.) The ingredients for something to happen, anything at all, that I might enjoy—they’re there. I have to know for myself. I’m not reading any “leaks” or waiting on word of mouth. It’s just something I have to do.
joberg
Legendary Member
I stand corrected and edited the mistakeIf you have been watching the same movie for 58 years, maybe you should try another one? Lots of good ones out there.
Solo4114
Master Member
Temple of Doom is still a mixed bag today, I'd say. It was always the most uneven of the original trilogy. Extremely dark and cruel at moments, and then whipsawing into slapstick and screwball comedy. It's a great pastiche of film styles from that same era, though. I'll say that.
And yeah, there are some DEEPLY problematic aspects to it which, again, are reflective of the time in which those types of stories were first being told...which were not great. I could get into it more, but you know what I'm talking about anyway. I'm fine with that stuff not flying today. I'm also ok to watch the film, albeit with a critical more modern eye at points, and recognize that time marches on.
Then people should learn to stop asking "And then what happened?!"
If you don't want to see your heroes ravaged by time, then stop doing legacy sequels. Because time ravages us all. It's inevitable. Death and taxes, man.
In seriousness, though, people need to learn to be satisfied with endings. There's a reason fairy tales end with "And they lived happily ever after." Because nobody wants to hear about how Prince Charming and Cinderella later had marital problems because their relationship was based entirely on surface level interaction from one night of dancing, and they had no real foundation upon which to build. And nobody wants to hear about how, after slaying the giant and getting lots of riches, Jack's farm was attacked by brigands and burned to the ground, leaving Jack a pauper. And so on and so forth.
As long as we continue to tell stories about these heroes of yore, they are going to need too have conflicts in them that carry some weight -- in other words, drama. You can't have drama without meaningful conflict, and you can't have meaningful conflict if the heroes can just say "Pshaw" and brush past it.
And you can't go home again.
I agree that the problems with films that people don't like are often not down to "Oh, the writers were crap." Or "The producer had an agenda." And my bet is that people here don't understand how the creative side of the business has been infiltrated by the "suits" who want more and more creative control, and who are probably the biggest problem to actually telling a good story.
For me, it's mostly just...I dunno...I'm good, man. I don't need more. I don't need to feel disappointed or frustrated that the film didn't give me what I wanted. And honestly, I guess I just don't want more. I know I can't get back to, like, 1989 or whatever. That time has passed. And I'm ok with that.
I'd rather see new stories anyway.
I can pretty much guarantee that whether this movie is critiqued beforehand based on their track record and agenda or if after the movie is released to the public, the same opinions will be expressed to those who dislike it as if they are suppossed to keep their mouths shut on a forum such as this, as if in wonderment how it's even possible to not like it, or dare criticize it. Not only that, as if the fact that it's not universally accepted by all makes the one's who don't "negative" and "haters" is somehow a means for them(those who love it) to feel a victim in their viewpoint, is totally absurd. It's really simple...If you don't like to see peoples opinions, don't go on a forum. Neither side is superior...no one should play a victim...like what you like...don't like what you don't like...feel free to express what you think and why you think it or simply don't go on a forum.
I can critique it now, before i see it based on two things...The Indy OT is complete and nothing needs to be added to it and their track record and agenda is clear as a crystal skull...forgive me...lol, that movie stunk too.
I can critique it afterward and confirm why i believe it was terrible ...which goes back to my original critique. This is not being negative or a hater.
How many people have children. You have to build them up and correct them. Both are necessary for the growth of the child. In fact, you cannot properly build up a child without correcting them...nor do you really love them if you forbear correction. Once that child grows and decides to neglect the teaching and they cross the line and become a thief, you don't tell them how good they are!!! You correct them. For them to say, "you're being negative and hateful" is a pretty audacious and hypocritical stance on their part, especially when the parent is actually loving them and they are obviously robbing others. They can walk away sulking and bitter all they want but they need to turn away from their thievery and come back to the original teaching and humble themselves to admit they need to do better if they want to be lifted up and feel they're on the right track.
Pride comes before a fall, and a haughty spirit before destruction. Those that humble themselves shall be lifted up. This premise was clearly taught in The Last Crusade and Raiders Of The Lost Ark, for that matter. They should have learned the lesson. Now they will learn it the hard way.
I can critique it now, before i see it based on two things...The Indy OT is complete and nothing needs to be added to it and their track record and agenda is clear as a crystal skull...forgive me...lol, that movie stunk too.
I can critique it afterward and confirm why i believe it was terrible ...which goes back to my original critique. This is not being negative or a hater.
How many people have children. You have to build them up and correct them. Both are necessary for the growth of the child. In fact, you cannot properly build up a child without correcting them...nor do you really love them if you forbear correction. Once that child grows and decides to neglect the teaching and they cross the line and become a thief, you don't tell them how good they are!!! You correct them. For them to say, "you're being negative and hateful" is a pretty audacious and hypocritical stance on their part, especially when the parent is actually loving them and they are obviously robbing others. They can walk away sulking and bitter all they want but they need to turn away from their thievery and come back to the original teaching and humble themselves to admit they need to do better if they want to be lifted up and feel they're on the right track.
Pride comes before a fall, and a haughty spirit before destruction. Those that humble themselves shall be lifted up. This premise was clearly taught in The Last Crusade and Raiders Of The Lost Ark, for that matter. They should have learned the lesson. Now they will learn it the hard way.
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