Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

[HeartBlade]

Overall, I think the movie got a bad rap. It didn't deserve so much negativity. That said, there is no company more deserving of a massive flop than Disney. F--- that company.

I think a good question to ask is “is the movie “willing to shell out $40 to go see in theaters” good or “streaming in the background” good.

Indy 5 isnt a terrible abomination like the Room or other shows or movies but Im not happy dropping money and watching it in theaters. I would be happy to watch it for “free” on streaming and would consider it good bang for my buck but not to go watch in theaters.

I guess streaming is the “straight to dvd” equivalent now.

 

[Solo4114]

I'll still likely give this one a miss when it hits streaming.

I've never bothered to watch KotCS either. Although, to be fair, I haven't re-watched too many older favs in a long time anyway, but if I was going to, I would skip KotCS.

 

[batguy]

I've never bothered to watch KotCS either. Although, to be fair, I haven't re-watched too many older favs in a long time anyway, but if I was going to, I would skip KotCS.

Yeah, don't watch it. Leave Indy in the 1930s.

But that said, the strongest thing about KOTCS is that it shows so much love for the characters. It flies in the face of the recent thinking that all these old heroes (Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Sarah Connor, Indy, the Ghostbusters, etc) must have crappy interim lives in order for us to revisit them.

KOTCS didn't live up to the big three but I've always thought it got a bad rap. There were portions/aspects of it that were totally legit.

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

Watch it if you want to. This movie is still not as bad as those who haven't seen it tell you it is. It's certainly not the best IJ film but better than quite a few other films that some of those who condemn it have admitted to liking. And really the only opinion that matters is yours so make up your own mind on what to do.

 

[Laspector]

I actually enjoyed it a lot.

 

[userd1402]

I actually enjoyed it a lot.

Me too. I watched it over the weekend with my wife and we both liked it. Sure it's not the best Indy movie, and the kid character was never going to be Short-round, but I didn't find the female side-kick to be as bad as everyone says since she had a redemption arc and it definitely isn't the woke-fest everyone has been claiming.

 

[Liberance]

The strongest thing about KOTCS is that it shows so much love for the characters. It flies in the face of the recent thinking that all these old heroes (Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Sarah Connor, Indy, the Ghostbusters, etc) must have crappy interim lives in order for us to revisit them.

What you guys are talking about whenever this is brought up is tone.

Bad things can happen to these characters, it just depends on what exactly and how it's handled. In Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indy had had a questionable past relationship with Marion and she had ended up stuck in a bar in Nepal after her father passed. Him learning to not take her for granted is the entire thematic subtext of that movie, it's what the whole thing is about. Yet it still was a lighthearted adventure movie and not the grim fest they went for with The Dial of Destiny.

It has nothing to do with "love for the characters" or any abstract, nebulous concept like that. The reason all these filmmakers choose to make the fifth or sixth entry of these franchises is because they're fans themselves. And there lies the problem: they're audience members, not the original creatives. Therefore they miss the personal touch that can bring authenticity to these things, and fail to realize when they're crossing a line or breaking the spirit of the movie with their choices, be it a narrative device that brings the mood down far too much or an editorial idea that ruins the pacing and flow of a sequence. It's stuff that may have worked for their own films, but not in these ones. That's really all there is to it.

 

[mattycsi]

Just watched it.

Other than the de aging being a bit hit and miss, nothing to dislike in this film. It felt like a return to form.
I'd put it ahead of ToD.

 

[Bloop]

Just watched it.

Other than the de aging being a bit hit and miss, nothing to dislike in this film. It felt like a return to form.
I'd put it ahead of ToD.

I've been doing my own de-aging deepfakes, and it can definitely be hit or miss. I believe they used a similar GAN type face replacement that I'm using, and there are a lot of variables that can lead to good or bad results. You have to have good source material to train with - meaning good quality video of the actor at a younger age. But even that's not enough and things like lighting, camera lens & focus, morion blurring, and a lack of certain angles from the source material can lead to bad results. Even though you're training the AI to replace one face with another, it still helps if the source material and the newly shot footage match. It helps if the director knows those issue going in and can shoot the scenes with the older actor in a way that minimizes those issues. If you watch Luke Skywalker in Mandeloran season 2, you notice the camera angles are limited and fairly static, and he doesn't move his head too much, making it easier to deepfake the actor with a young Mark Hamill. I think Mangold shot from some angles that they may not have had good source footage of. The AI sometimes has to interpolate what the person should look like from certain angles if it doesn't have a good shot to reference.
Sorry if I've gone off on a tangent. If anybody's interested, I could post my YouTube deepfake channel (maybe in a new post, so I don't hijack this thread). I only have a few deepfakes but I'd appreciate getting some more eyes on them.

 

[joberg]

If I had to guess to tie in the child Indy, it would be the actual opening of the film chasing or finding an item that's either taken from him or he accidentally loses in a fashion that brings us to middle aged Indy and the train chasing the same item as a personal side quest to the actual item they are there to recover, where he again would lose the side quest item in favor of saving the mission item... Then we fast-forward to old man Indy... Maybe the end of the film would have him securing that childhood item as a retirement gift from Marion.

Let's make it like "Source Code"

 

[Liberance]

Looks like they were going for a really similar idea to the Crusade ellipsis transition with this whole young Indy prologue in the Spielberg/Koepp draft:

Really wondering if this concept art is representative of the shots, or even the actual cut when the transition took place. Indy openings are action-packed, and so far these feel anything but. The whole situation and set design is also very reminiscent of videogames, particularly Uncharted, and looks a bit over the top for an Indiana Jones movie, let alone the beginning of one.

Then again, it was Spielberg. So there's gotta be some pretty strong narrative reasons behind these choices.

EDIT: Looks like I spoke too soon. The latest image Brockbank uploaded shows a MacGuffin and that leaves a bit more room for interpretation.

A Buddha figurine, hidden within the third eye of a much larger statue. Interesting to note that in a previous illustration younger Indy was standing next to another Buddha statue with a damaged forehead. Considering Buddha's third eye represents wisdom, now the contrast between Indy at the youngest and oldest we've seen him in the movies makes more sense. He also seems to be damaging the site as a kid, while the context with older Indy looks like a proper archeological dig. Perhaps the angle they were going for with the story was a "with age comes wisdom" kind of look at the character's twilight years. Again, hard to say without a script, but it would be a fitting Spielbergian take on older Indy.

Not sure if anyone is even interested in all this here by the way... perhaps it's just the wrong forum. Or maybe there should be another thread focused on behind the scenes/storytelling for this movie as more material comes out. For me, it's an absolute treat that we're getting these at all.

 

[NeoRutty]

Is there any evidence, other than that guy with a toilet on his head saying he heard it, that they shot scenes with Waller Bridge going through old Indy scenes?

I find it very very very hard to believe.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

 

[The Goon]

I haven't seen the movie yet, but so far that's the best trailer I've seen!

 

[MichaelFuji]

Looks like they were going for a really similar idea to the Crusade ellipsis transition with this whole young Indy prologue in the Spielberg/Koepp draft:

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Really wondering if this concept art is representative of the shots, or even the actual cut when the transition took place. Indy openings are action-packed, and so far these feel anything but. The whole situation and set design is also very reminiscent of videogames, particularly Uncharted, and looks a bit over the top for an Indiana Jones movie, let alone the beginning of one.

Then again, it was Spielberg. So there's gotta be some pretty strong narrative reasons behind these choices.

EDIT: Looks like I spoke too soon. The latest image Brockbank uploaded shows a MacGuffin and that leaves a bit more room for interpretation.

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A Buddha figurine, hidden within the third eye of a much larger statue. Interesting to note that in a previous illustration younger Indy was standing next to another Buddha statue with a damaged forehead. Considering Buddha's third eye represents wisdom, now the contrast between Indy at the youngest and oldest we've seen him in the movies makes more sense. He also seems to be damaging the site as a kid, while the context with older Indy looks like a proper archeological dig. Perhaps the angle they were going for with the story was a "with age comes wisdom" kind of look at the character's twilight years. Again, hard to say without a script, but it would be a fitting Spielbergian take on older Indy.

Not sure if anyone is even interested in all this here by the way... perhaps it's just the wrong forum. Or maybe there should be another thread focused on behind the scenes/storytelling for this movie as more material comes out. For me, it's an absolute treat that we're getting these at all.

Liberance
Where do you have these pictures from?
Can you link the source?
I alse saw another picture where Indy + Helena sanding on that uboat and shooting with that gun turret.
If you have that, Could you please update the thread with it?

 

[Liberance]

Where do you have these pictures from?
Can you link the source?
I alse saw another picture where Indy + Helena sanding on that uboat and shooting with that gun turret.
If you have that, Could you please update the thread with it?

They're from Adam Brockbank's Instagram, I think I linked it earlier. He's regularly updating it with more pictures.

Here's new U-boat art you're talking about:

I didn't continue posting because no one seems too interested in this here.

 

[MichaelFuji]

Well, I am

But the earlier ones are of much larger size and format.
And I cant find them in this format on his instagram.

 

[Liberance]

Well, I am

But the earlier ones are of much larger size and format.
And I cant find them in this format on his instagram.

They're all there. He just posted the wide ones as two separate images you have to tap through.

 

[Apollo]

GEESUS PALOMINO!!

This topic here has longer legs than the Movie!

 

[HeartBlade]

GEESUS PALOMINO!!

This topic here has longer legs than the Movie!

To be fair, you are with a bunch of nerds that are now delving into speculation and the side discussion about Barbie and Hollywood helped.

But yeah, people are more interested in what could have been.