The Ultimate X-Wing Pilot Thread

i wonder what prompted the tuck or the untuck?
Maybe because they are smart. US military pilots and aircrew are prohibited to tuck their pant legs into their boots nor do they wear their gloves over their sleeves. Basically to do so would make them funnels letting flammable liquids to your body in the case of an emergency situation involving fire.
Probably all wearing regular shoes.
But mostly that is the real reason.
 
Maybe because they are smart. US military pilots and aircrew are prohibited to tuck their pant legs into their boots nor do they wear their gloves over their sleeves. Basically to do so would make them funnels letting flammable liquids to your body in the case of an emergency situation involving fire.

But mostly that is the real reason.
Its more of a rule and not a prohibition when you actually get on the flightline. But also A: the boots worn by a US pilot are not the same as the boots worn by an xwing pilot. Tucking in a flightsuit to a US boot is not a comfortable thing, or a practical thing. I havent done it with an xwing suit yet, but i cannot imagine its as bad as if you tried it with a US uniform. I have seen the boots bloused and i have seen where when the gsuit is worn or any other leg mods like kneepads or kneeboards, it can cause the suit to gather enough to make it look like your suit is tucked when its just shorter on the leg.
B: US boots are much shorter and tighter as well. (at least comparing to Luke or some others) With zippers to the ankle cuffs its just not practical. The zipper pull would dig into you ankle over time and not be comfortable at all. Its not a small zipper. Plus sitting in the seat causes the suit to ride up even further. so generally the suit is fit a bit long to accomodate for all those variables. Tucking in your suit would just pull out as soon as you sat in the seat. I noticed with Poe, he had his untucked as well.. so i figure its just a preference thing. Maybe Luke was used to tucking his, like he did with his pants on Tatooine, and the boot wraps, so he did it with his flight suit as well...
C: the US pilot flightware is much more form fitting. Gloves especially are skin tight for the tactile touch and, like you said, fire retardant nature... the cloth portion of the glove anyways. I would think the leather part has a flame retardant coating as well, or even a permeation of something into the leather itself. However, having worn those for years and killing a few pair of those myself with heat or getting them wet, i didnt physically notice anything out of the ordinary about the leather outside the color. Not that i really paid attention to that. Even wearing those in the summer time isnt too uncomfortable, but we would regularly roll the sleeves of the flightsuit and the glove gauntlets to get some air, against what would be the rule, but it was more common than you might think. Also there are some who tuck the glove in the suit, some who tuck the suit in the glove, and some who just bunch them together or roll the glove against the suit cuff.. all kinds just for preference really.

At any rate, it had to be directed for the film. And it was someones job to make sure they all had the same stuff. I think the other interesting thing is that outside of the "character rolls" all the xwing flight helmets were adornment free except for the rebel symbol. Clean white and a nice blue symbol. It was impractical for them to paint all those helmets for 5 seconds of background screen time. The cool thing is that untucking the boot is actually canon because of that scene. if you want to take it that far. Which some do. For myself, i just say make it and wear it and who cares that it isnt exactly like Luke or Wedge. At some point it will happen on screen and then you can say you knew it all along. :)

Incidentally, i finished my belt last night... waiting to finish the harness... ran out of webbing. Ordered more. Also got the fabric for the boot cuff so i will start that next while i finish the first draft of the vest. I looked around to find some white nylon of the correct weight but have not ordered that yet.. I also got the data cylinders in the mail.. and will make the belt and boot flares when the soft parts are done. I found the right diameters of dowel rod so that will come soon. Then i will start looking for boots and gloves.
 
looking at some of the recent photos posted in this thread, (the original filming stills and screen captures) I have decided to make a second belt with a slightly darker weave so that it stands apart from the ejection harness.. in my photos you cannot see these two are much different at all, but In person the new one will be less shiny and a touch darker and will set off from the harness. I'll post some photos as I process it and try to show them in different lighting..
you can see the new belt as the two rolls in front of the previously constructed one, as well as the small 1" roll to the right which does look darker at that angle.
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looking at some of the recent photos posted in this thread, (the original filming stills and screen captures) I have decided to make a second belt with a slightly darker weave so that it stands apart from the ejection harness.. in my photos you cannot see these two are much different at all, but In person the new one will be less shiny and a touch darker and will set off from the harness. I'll post some photos as I process it and try to show them in different lighting..
you can see the new belt as the two rolls in front of the previously constructed one, as well as the small 1" roll to the right which does look darker at that angle.View attachment 1560502
I'm pretty sure the belt is a thick cotton webbing material with a thin piece of nylon for the loops to hold the "mini flares" whereas the hanging leg straps are a nylon strapping. That's why not only are the colors slightly different but also the texture.
 
I'm pretty sure the belt is a thick cotton webbing material with a thin piece of nylon for the loops to hold the "mini flares" whereas the hanging leg straps are a nylon strapping. That's why not only are the colors slightly different but also the texture.
yeah that is my assumption as well. finding any canvas or cotton webbing in that flavor is not easy.. i assume the belts would be the same across all the rebellion attire.. the olive or green color versus the grey.. I figure the grey may be navy where the green may be army, and these were also WW2 surplus items, but i have not gotten to dig into that further. I havent seen any discussion on this either. I think i had a belt kind of like this as a kid. Canvas or cotton.. not with the loops. Perhaps this is a strap removed from a backpack or a parachute pack or a large tent or something. Does anyone know for sure? Apparently the legions do not care, they just want nylon or nylon-like.. i am interested to see what these really were.. I just want to make one for the sake of liking the costume. discuss.....
 
yeah that is my assumption as well. finding any canvas or cotton webbing in that flavor is not easy.. i assume the belts would be the same across all the rebellion attire.. the olive or green color versus the grey.. I figure the grey may be navy where the green may be army, and these were also WW2 surplus items, but i have not gotten to dig into that further. I havent seen any discussion on this either. I think i had a belt kind of like this as a kid. Canvas or cotton.. not with the loops. Perhaps this is a strap removed from a backpack or a parachute pack or a large tent or something. Does anyone know for sure? Apparently the legions do not care, they just want nylon or nylon-like.. i am interested to see what these really were.. I just want to make one for the sake of liking the costume. discuss.....

I know that it is natural to think that OT costume and prop items are found items but they did fabricate costumes for the movie. There is no reason not to believe they made the belts and in various colors the same as they did with the coveralls.
 
yeah true. we know they found much to use, or sourced things in the movie industry already used but then modified or kitbashed, and also made things from scratch. No doubt. My first assumption unless otherwise known, is to the pre-existing and modified, just due to the money issue on Episode IV, but i realize they did create some things there also. I am kind of surprised someone has not provided an answer to this early on, or maybe it wasn't asked.. as much as has been discovered about all this stuff. Or maybe i just have not seen where it is yet. I have not actively been involved in the xwing pilot research much at all before Rogue One.
 
I think years ago someone had the thought or theory that they where some sort of climbers belt with the loops for holding carabiners.

The R1 belts are PLCE belts worn inside out with webbing loops added.
 
Been working on my Blue Squadron ensemble, and this thread has been a great resource!

Still waiting on my boots and then I have some weathering to do, but this is what I have so far.

Flight suit, flak vest, straps and greeblies are from Imperial Boots. The chest box is from Far Away Creations.

Sean

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I spent some time today making a test vest for sizing.. i did two sizes today. the first is the original size from the tutorial. I created the pattern and then cut some cheap white fabric to test the size with my Rogue One chest box. After seeing this one, I decided to make a slightly larger one to compare to, so I basically used the 1\2 inch seam allowance to enlarge the front vest portion, and left the sides for attaching the clip the same size. This makes it an inch taller and an inch wider at the top, as well as an inch wider at the bottom for the straps. This is just the main portion and the ribbed portion will be mounted on top when i do the correct fabric and all the other details.
so which one fits better?
I have my opinion, but would love to hear whether you would choose the first, regular sized one, or the second larger size.
let me know!
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Been working on my Blue Squadron ensemble, and this thread has been a great resource!

Still waiting on my boots and then I have some weathering to do, but this is what I have so far.

Flight suit, flak vest, straps and greeblies are from Imperial Boots. The chest box is from Far Away Creations.

Sean

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Cool, looking at other items on Imperial Boots how was the sizing?
 
I spent some time today making a test vest for sizing.. i did two sizes today. the first is the original size from the tutorial. I created the pattern and then cut some cheap white fabric to test the size with my Rogue One chest box. After seeing this one, I decided to make a slightly larger one to compare to, so I basically used the 1\2 inch seam allowance to enlarge the front vest portion, and left the sides for attaching the clip the same size. This makes it an inch taller and an inch wider at the top, as well as an inch wider at the bottom for the straps. This is just the main portion and the ribbed portion will be mounted on top when i do the correct fabric and all the other details.
so which one fits better?
I have my opinion, but would love to hear whether you would choose the first, regular sized one, or the second larger size.
let me know!
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I think the second one looks better proportionately.
 
Cool, looking at other items on Imperial Boots how was the sizing?
Pretty spot on!

I’m 6’3”, ~200 lbs, 42” chest, 34x34 pant, and the large suit fits me great. It’s not form-fitting by any means, but if you look at the Rogue One reference photos, the suits are pretty loose-fitting. It’s great to have a cosplay that’s actually comfortable!

Sean
 
Pretty spot on!

I’m 6’3”, ~200 lbs, 42” chest, 34x34 pant, and the large suit fits me great. It’s not form-fitting by any means, but if you look at the Rogue One reference photos, the suits are pretty loose-fitting. It’s great to have a cosplay that’s actually comfortable!

Sean
Great. I agree my OT xwing costume is loose, I'm not sure the Rebellion has a tailor.
 
I worked on the boot flare cuff this weekend.. had a slight setback when I read some wrong measurements from a tutorial, but I found the error in how much fabric was needed on the flare loops (2 1\8" versus 1 1\8") and was able to knock out the flare cuff pretty quickly. part of the speed was that I cut multiple cuffs ahead of time in case of a problem. I had originally planned on making 2, but after the setback only had enough pre-cut to make one with about half another one pre-cut.. so I think I'll make another this week just to get it down before heading to the vest.
I used some more rigid fabric I already had for these.. looks like a weatherproof nylon or duck cloth canvas... I can't be totally sure since I don't have the receipt or remember where it came from. I think it turned out pretty good and I might try to find some older, thicker thread canvas to make a backup in the future just to give it that retro feel.
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