Vader lid experts chime in

[ob1al]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Kahnt @ Nov 24 2006, 05:17 PM) [snapback]1364827[/snapback]</div>

I think the person went a bit more in depth than the average scammer would go. They tried to take good measures to make sure people would not pick up on all the small things. I have no doubt it's a scam and a waste of money.
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I tend to agree - still the question remains, where did the auction photograph come from?

 

[darthjones]

Wow, I would love to see this helmet in person though. I like the dome at a glance.

One thing that I do like though is how deep the teeth are. Look at the "floor" at the bottom between each vertical up and down side facing of each "tooth." The fact that it looks thick and deep is usually a good sign in my experience that the helmet has got something to it.

Hmmm.

I'm surprised LFL hasn't swooped on this one and shut it down or something.

 

[bigbaddaddyvader]

I wouldn't be that surprised by LFL not giving this much attention.Just too many questions about this piece.I noticed that it's up to over £400.Someone is going to get burned.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Did it just go into private bidding or something? And why would LFL step in???

 

[bigbaddaddyvader]

Apparently Ebay say they are removing the ability to view bidders identities.Well that's just great.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bigbaddaddyvader @ Nov 24 2006, 08:18 PM) [snapback]1364875[/snapback]</div>

Apparently Ebay say they are removing the ability to view bidders identities.Well that's just great.
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Oh... okay... just makes it easier for scammers to hide and bid on their own items... but I guess it is the way to go, so that people won't harass bidders... I guess.

 

[bigbaddaddyvader]

I'm more of the view that,as you say,it is just going to make it WAY easier for rip-off merchants to stroke people for a whole lot more.Is that worth it for removing the occasional piece of hassle from other people?I don't think so.

 

[Darth Kahnt]

That's a good question Al. We have to keep the perspective that not every person who is a Vader expert or has rare prop photos posts or has an account here on the RPF. I would venture to say that there are MANY knowledgeable people who choose not to be here or may not be aware this place exists.

The photo could have come from anywhere and we (meaning the RPF Vader community) may not be aware of the photo's existance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ob1al @ Nov 24 2006, 01:30 PM) [snapback]1364828[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Kahnt @ Nov 24 2006, 05:17 PM) [snapback]1364827[/snapback]

I think the person went a bit more in depth than the average scammer would go. They tried to take good measures to make sure people would not pick up on all the small things. I have no doubt it's a scam and a waste of money.
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I tend to agree - still the question remains, where did the auction photograph come from?
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[darthvaderv]

Well it's gone and many are beginning to have faith that Tom will receive this etc.. The added pics bring excitement but I for one am still suspicious, the lack of feedback and quite weird statements about the helmet made me not go there.

If the helmet is delivered as the pics show than at that price than it's the best bargain Iv'e seen.

Some big names in the prop community have been interested in getting this helmet.

There have been/are more copies of this helmet supposedley.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I didn't bid as I was bound by honor not to - also, had no money. Furthermore, the auction was very, very risky, imo, so even if none of the above had prevented me, I may still not have bid.

Seems it's the genuine article - from what more knowledgeable people have informed me - and for that price, it's a real steal. Congrats to the buyer. If it is what it is, then it's a really cool piece.

Interesting details, which have surfaced is the lack of cut out chin vent - original ANH chin vent ridge carved into the mask - and no dome mount, but original ANH dome tabs. Unfortunately, dome and mask is glued together - from what I've been told - wonder if it's possible to separate them.

Some details are a bit strange... but overall, it looks pretty good.

 

[darthvaderv]

Yeah it looks very good. A very close resemblance to the PH Vader as Others and myself have said. It's definately a very interesting piece, con or not.

I have one major problem with this whole thing.

If the seller knew quite a bit of info on the prop surely they would know that the price was far, far too cheap for what it was even if it may be a re-cast off the original.

If the consensous is that this is original why did this not go for more? If they lacked knowledge (which to be honest the knowledge is varible) I could understand, but they knew enough about this prop to realise it's value, I'm not buying that whole e-bay market thing.

If this is all genuine than I for one am slightly annoyed that the seller did such a crap job in presenting a rare and truly great masterpiece that I would of potentially of paid thousands for. I just hope that Tom could confirm it's identity and his gain will be our loss for taking the gamble. I'm not bitter until it's all confirmed, if so than ill :cry :lol

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Well, I have no problem with cool stuff being cheap...

 

[SithLord]

I was the second last bidder :cry

Congrats to Vadermania.

 

[darthvaderv]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SithLord @ Nov 27 2006, 05:23 PM) [snapback]1366215[/snapback]</div>

I was the second last bidder :cry

Congrats to Vadermania.
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I agree congratulations. It's a pitty you and others lost out.

 

[RKW]

No matter how many protests I read of this being a fake I just knew you guys would bid on it :lol

 

[KevVader]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(darthvaderv @ Nov 27 2006, 11:56 AM) [snapback]1366188[/snapback]</div>

If the seller knew quite a bit of info on the prop surely they would know that the price was far, far too cheap for what it was even if it may be a re-cast off the original.

[/b]

Exactly....the adage "If it's too good to be true..." comes to mind.

I hope Tom gets what he's paid for...

 

[Darth Domain]

I didn't bid and i could not afford the price any how, damn i missed out there, maybe next time eh

 

[Neon Sentry]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Uber Fett @ Nov 24 2006, 01:15 AM) [snapback]1364708[/snapback]</div>

The tusks. The left (right on the pic) tusk on the PH is damaged further back than the sale helmets left tusk.[/b]

This might just be in my head, but it appears as though the tusk damage is identical on both helms, just reversed. Looks like one of the helmets was painted with a reverse color scheme, and the image was flipped to look right, resulting in the different looking spots (being an asymmetrical helm and all) in amongst the identical looking bits

I don't know, the damage just looks too damn similar...

 

[Too Much Garlic]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Neon Sentry @ Nov 27 2006, 08:21 PM) [snapback]1366302[/snapback]</div>

This might just be in my head, but it appears as though the tusk damage is identical on both helms, just reversed. Looks like one of the helmets was painted with a reverse color scheme, and the image was flipped to look right, resulting in the different looking spots (being an asymmetrical helm and all) in amongst the identical looking bits

I don't know, the damage just looks too damn similar...
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Nice theory, but anyone having seen a reversed picture of the Vader helmet will know that that is not the case here. No chance this is a reversed picture... and with closer inspection, the damages to the tusks aren't really that similar... yes, one side has a long break and the other a short... but the similarity ends there.

Also... there are additional pictures available and some have seen this helmet in the real... so no point in arguing about faked pictures.

 

[Clutch]

I'm glad someone here got it.