CTF
Sr Member
I'm with you there.
I can't believe someone is that arrogant to think they can frig with 'em.
Deleted scene from ROTJ!
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I'm with you there.
I can't believe someone is that arrogant to think they can frig with 'em.
We're all friggin with them. All of us. He sees it through his point of view, I see it through my point of view. I like the stuff Adywan did with the edit, especially how he fixed certain continuity errors and color corrected the film properly.
That's a rather vague assessment saying he ****ed with the movies when you don't give one example. Lukas makes the entire trilogy blue colored, Adywan undos that. There are visual effects flaws throughout, Adywan fixes them (And like a professional, you hardly notice the fix). Lucas adds cartoony prequel like moments to the movies, Adywan removes them. Lucas has Greedo shoot first, Adywan has Han shoot first.
Honestly, I think it's arrogant to say he has nothing to contribute when his version of the Special Editions are far superior to what we ended up getting. And I'm not going to lie, some of the things Adywan has done are quite amazing.
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Hey does anyone have the scene downloadable? I've been very curious about this scene since I read the articles about the Elstree Lightsaber a couple of months ago, and I'm kinda disapointed that I've missed seeing this scene.
I don't know if you can DL it here, but you can watch it........
Watch Luke Skywalker Become a Jedi Knight in This Deleted Star Wars Scene
Pappy
Well-Known Member
Is this adywan's work is the deleted magic ones?
Never saw one,and every fan edit ones.
Which one doesn't messed up with the contents of the original and just remastered it without touching a thing,anyone had a clue?......too much to ask i guess but i really want to get the feeling when i watched SW for the first time on laserdisc
Never saw one,and every fan edit ones.
Which one doesn't messed up with the contents of the original and just remastered it without touching a thing,anyone had a clue?......too much to ask i guess
but i really want to get the feeling when i watched SW for the first time on laserdiscIs this adywan's work is the deleted magic ones?
Never saw one,and every fan edit ones.
Which one doesn't messed up with the contents of the original and just remastered it without touching a thing,anyone had a clue?......too much to ask i guess
I dont want to offend you, but I dont understand what you want...
This is an official deleted scene, released by LucasFilm / Lucas himself. No fan-edit or up-to-date-editing by any studio. It was shown with the effects it got while ROTJ was produced. Just read this thread
Getting a bit off topic with the Adywan stuff here but let's not forget that Adywan's work is not supposed to replace any existing version. It's just his personal vision (which incorporates many ideas suggested by other fans).
Lucas on the other hand 'frigs' with the movies at the expense of the originals.
Lucas on the other hand 'frigs' with the movies at the expense of the originals.
foxbatkllr
Sr Member
How is it at the expense of the originals? Did he have your memory wiped and replaced? Did he steal your 15 VHS copies, your Laserdisc copies, and DVD copies?
Edwardowan
Sr Member
Nice clean shot.
Someone here mentioned how Anthony Daniels said he was by himself for such a scene and if you know how filming special effects and composite shots go (especially back in the 70's and 80's) that would make sense here for lighting contol. You would have to film the outside threepio scene on location, then shoot the dark interior cave scene seperately (and most likely on a soundstage). the cave entrance was probably green screened and the threepio shot composited into that scene otherwise the camera wouldn't pick up the interior dark detail because of the overwhelming light shining outside and if you adjusted the camera for exposure to only the interior the exterior would be a bright hotspot of overexposure and you wouldn't see threepio.
this kind of compositing was common throughout the OT.
Someone here mentioned how Anthony Daniels said he was by himself for such a scene and if you know how filming special effects and composite shots go (especially back in the 70's and 80's) that would make sense here for lighting contol. You would have to film the outside threepio scene on location, then shoot the dark interior cave scene seperately (and most likely on a soundstage). the cave entrance was probably green screened and the threepio shot composited into that scene otherwise the camera wouldn't pick up the interior dark detail because of the overwhelming light shining outside and if you adjusted the camera for exposure to only the interior the exterior would be a bright hotspot of overexposure and you wouldn't see threepio.
this kind of compositing was common throughout the OT.
From the official site:
Mark Hamill discusses this scene (new interview after the presentation) @ about 22 min in:
ForceCast.net: ForceCast: Live From CV: Mark Hamill
He says he didn't remember filming it until he saw it again...
ForceCast.net: ForceCast: Live From CV: Mark Hamill
He says he didn't remember filming it until he saw it again...
Edwardowan
Sr Member
I doubt I would be able to recall certain things I did almost thirty years ago on a busy schedule either... in fact, I'm hard pressed to give any details on everything I did last month and I was there! :lol
These people are working actors... they aren't fanboys like we are and watch the movie multiple times or spend any time thinking about the scene beyond learning the line (no lines to memorize here) and doing the scene as directed... this one was probably set up, shot and in the can all within an hour and they moved on... and all this 2 to 3 years before its released onto the big screen. I find it unfortunate that we hold these actors to having to remember every detail of every minute of every day of every move they made during the random production of one project they work on over the years... during his interview he mentions how during the Empire Strikes Back shoot his wife gave birth and he became a dad for the first time... I don't think he had much else on his mind during that shoot other than do the job and make the director happy and go home. They do multiple scenes during the day everyday for months sometimes having to return a year or so later for pickup shoots and retakes... I'm sure its overwhelming.
I worked on many labor intensive projects over the years as well and a lot of published artwork and even stuff I myself drew up and painted as little as 4 years ago I look at now and don't remember actually doing the work even though I know I did. Its a fantasy to expect these people to remember everything they did on a job especially if they never saw the footage until 30 years later!
At least Lucas remembered having some edited footage to gift us with when we buy the movies yet once again! :lol
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Dave Ward
Sr Member
I was thinking about this...to my pride or shame I'm not sure which but i made a doctor who fan film when i was about 14...came out ok, we used the locations we had well. I even wrote the thing, and yet, i can remember probably only half a dozen scenes of it, despite having worked on it for a couple of months.
jlee562
Sr Member
The whole Hammil not remembering thing is quite inconsequential, IMHO.
As others have rightly pointed out, can YOU remember EVERYTHING that you did 30 years ago? Certainly not. Especially on a feature film project like this, if the scene was cut, Hammil's memory may have "tricked" himself into believing he didn't shoot it.
The thing is though, step back from the situation. With all we know about Lucas' predisposition to add new things to the film, why, in this specific instance, would they bother to concoct an entirely fictional story about its creation? What does Lucas have to gain from passing off an entirely new sequence as old?
As others have rightly pointed out, can YOU remember EVERYTHING that you did 30 years ago? Certainly not. Especially on a feature film project like this, if the scene was cut, Hammil's memory may have "tricked" himself into believing he didn't shoot it.
The thing is though, step back from the situation. With all we know about Lucas' predisposition to add new things to the film, why, in this specific instance, would they bother to concoct an entirely fictional story about its creation? What does Lucas have to gain from passing off an entirely new sequence as old?
Edwardowan
Sr Member
Not sure I understand you here... are you saying this scene is a new piece they are passing off as old edited footage? because it is o9ld original footage.. it wasn't recently shot. No conspiracy here.
He isn't adding this to the film... he already said it will be in the deleted section of the dvd... if he wanted to add it he would already have with the special editions of 1997 or he would market the blue ray as the special edition special none more special so buy it now because its got even more new stuff edition! :lol
anyway, I concur with the other recent posts... I can't tell anyone what I had for dinner may 25th 1997 even though I am the one that cooked it and ate it!
I was in a stage production in college 20 years ago with a major roll but I can't remember much about it now other than what my costume looked like and that some of my lines I flubbed up but I still got the job done and people laughed at my funny lines...
its old footage.... its going in the deleted scenes, the film crew and Hamill did it, it was long ago so they don't recall much about it...end of story.
CTF
Sr Member
Which is his right.
jlee562
Sr Member
No, I think it's old footage. I'm saying to those who think that it's a new scene, that thinking that way doesn't make a whole lot of sense, rationally and objectively speaking, because for that to be true, you would have to believe that Lucas (and Hammil) have created this entire backstory to pass of this little clip.
Edwardowan
Sr Member
Ah, got ya... my apologies for misreading that... makes sense to me now.. ya, the conspiracy theorists abound at this forum! haha!
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