Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

[Zuiun]

That is what needs to go away, all of the idiotic deconstruction nonsense. Stop deconstructing things! Indiana Jones would never act like he acted in this movie. He would never have pushed over racks of archaeological artifacts. He is an archaeologist first who would have died before destroy relics of the past. He would never have given up in any of this. This is not Indiana Jones.

Did you forget the part where he recklessly let an entire tomb destroy itself at the beginning of Raiders? Or the part where he destroyed an ancient statue to knock down a wall? Or the part in Crusade where he casually destroyed the floor of a library to further his quest? Or where he dips his finger in CHAMPAGNE to wipe dirt off an ancient tablet? Indiana has ALWAYS played fast and loose with the concept of "preservation." That's literally been his character trait from day one.

 

[Cephus]

Did you forget the part where he recklessly let an entire tomb destroy itself at the beginning of Raiders? Or the part where he destroyed an ancient statue to knock down a wall? Or the part in Crusade where he casually destroyed the floor of a library to further his quest? Or where he dips his finger in CHAMPAGNE to wipe dirt off an ancient tablet? Indiana has ALWAYS played fast and loose with the concept of "preservation." That's literally been his character trait from day one.

It isn't like he had a choice. A trap went off. He didn't set it off on purpose. He had to get out of there while it was falling apart around his ears. Same at the end of the movie. He didn't trap himself and Marion in the Well of the Souls on purpose. It was done to him. He was going to die because the oxgen was running out. He did what he had to do. He was trying to save his father in Crusade and going through the floor was what he had to do. It's always been about getting the artifacts to a museum.

 

[Zuiun]

It isn't like he had a choice. A trap went off. He didn't set it off on purpose. He had to get out of there while it was falling apart around his ears. Same at the end of the movie. He didn't trap himself and Marion in the Well of the Souls on purpose. It was done to him. He was going to die because the oxgen was running out. He did what he had to do. He was trying to save his father in Crusade and going through the floor was what he had to do. It's always been about getting the artifacts to a museum.

He was being chased by men with guns who were going to kill him, so he knocked down shelves of artifacts to escape. You can't apply that logic to the earlier films and disallow it to the new one.

 

[batguy]

Meh. Indy has always been a tomb robber as much as an archaeologist.

His methods were commonplace in the 1930s. That's about the nicest spin you could put on it.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

I don't wholeheartedly agree with the 'Deconstruction of character X is wrong" mentality, simply because in almost every instance (Luke, Indy, etc), it was these "beloved" characters from many peoples childhoods, but it was always going to be a trend after LOGAN.

I mean in that, you took the most popular X-Man, broke him down to where he was a completely bitter, cynical, defeated driver for hire, trying to scrape up enough money to buy a boat so he could take Charles & himself away from all society, both to protect the world & because of the guilt he felt for being incapable of stopping the death of each & every one of his friends, & to top it all off, he carried an adamantium bullet so he could blow his head off when it all got too much or after Charles died, whichever comes first.

That's a pretty big "Deconstruction" of Wolverine, but people & especially actual fans of the character LOVED it.

The difference is, there hasn't been 50 years of folks sleeping in Wolverine sheets dreaming of how THEY wanted the character's story to end.

I'm not going to rehash every TLJ, TRoS, & Indy thread that's been posted, nor am I going to defend them, but I think we, myself included, can get so hung up on where a character IS in some of these, that we miss where they end up.

The man Logan was at the beginning of that film was nowhere near the man that died at the end. The broken, alcoholic slob who was ready to eat a bullet was the one that remembered who he was & sacrificed himself to save but only the next generation of mutants but also... THE NEW FEMALE REPLACEMENT.

Point is, don't get mad at Disney Mangold, or even KK for what's being done to your "HEROES"...


Blame FOX, Mangold, & Jackman for doing it first & having a LOT of people absolutely LOVE it.

 

[Psab keel]

I never saw Logan. As always though it depends on how well a deconstructed character is written. If written well it  can work. The problem is the quality of the writers who have handled the Lucasfilm IPs.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

I never saw Logan. As always though it depends on how well a deconstructed character is written. If written well it  can work. The problem is the quality of the writers who have handled the Lucasfilm IPs.

Sorry if I spoiled it, Psab. Wasn't my intent.

 

[Psab keel]

Oh, no worries. I knew the plot.

 

[pengbuzz]

The reason I've never liked the whole "deconstructed" genre is that it's relatively easy to "deconstruct" just about any character or situation.

The hard part is putting them back together the way they're supposed to go. Most out there don't know how to do that, and end up with a scrambled, jumbled mess that's even worse than the "broken" version.

It reminds me of the old adage: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Malibu139]

In the theater now for MI: Dead Reckoning and I am floored at the amount of people here on a Monday. So many more than Indy on opening.

 

[Cephus]

The reason I've never liked the whole "deconstructed" genre is that it's relatively easy to "deconstruct" just about any character or situation.

The hard part is putting them back together the way they're supposed to go. Most out there don't know how to do that, and end up with a scrambled, jumbled mess that's even worse than the "broken" version.

It reminds me of the old adage: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

The biggest problem is that they take a character that only works because it does one thing, strip away everything that ever made the character work and then get mad at you when you don't like what it's become. They take heroes and turn them into wimps and then wonder why nobody likes the wimp. Just because it has the same name attached, that doesn't make it the same thing. Usually, they do this, at least in the Disney era, because they have no idea how to make their own heroes, therefore they tear down all of the others in hopes it will make their own pathetic mess creation look better.

It doesn't work that way.

 

[Lightning]

Rapid descent AND rapid ascent. She was already huffing a bit that they just dropped a couple hundred feet super fast without anyone regulating at all. Then to go up they inflate their life jackets and shoot all the way to the surface super fast.

Thats what the 3 minutes thing was about. In the universe of the movie, Antonio Banderas had invented a technique where if you go down and back up again before your body reacts to the pressure you will be fine. In this case 3 minutes on the bottom. I'm sure that's BS but it works in the IJ universe. I also didn't time how long they were down there.

 

[pengbuzz]

The biggest problem is that they take a character that only works because it does one thing, strip away everything that ever made the character work and then get mad at you when you don't like what it's become. They take heroes and turn them into wimps and then wonder why nobody likes the wimp. Just because it has the same name attached, that doesn't make it the same thing. Usually, they do this, at least in the Disney era, because they have no idea how to make their own heroes, therefore they tear down all of the others in hopes it will make their own pathetic mess creation look better.

It doesn't work that way.

Right; like trying to keep your own boat from taking on water by sinking everyone else's.

 

[asalaw]

In the theater now for MI: Dead Reckoning and I am floored at the amount of people here on a Monday. So many more than Indy on opening.

As a friend of mine says, the Tom Cruise is covered in awesome sauce. I hope MIDR makes a billion dollars.

 

[Schlegel]

I should point out one good thing I noticed. The entirely overused-to-the-point-of-cliche Stones song in the trailer became the Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour in the movie, and I don't recall hearing this one in 87 different movies, so that was a nice hat tip to Indy's adventures. Still, I wish there had been a magical mystery in this movie.

 

[Schlegel]

Also Magical Mystery Tour was track one, so that is indeed where you would start the US issued LP.

 

[blewis17]

That is what needs to go away, all of the idiotic deconstruction nonsense. Stop deconstructing things! Indiana Jones would never act like he acted in this movie. He would never have pushed over racks of archaeological artifacts. He is an archaeologist first who would have died before destroy relics of the past. He would never have given up in any of this. This is not Indiana Jones.

I think it's obvious Ford loves the Indy character.
As the main/mega star on the film, I wonder if Ford felt this was appropriate for Indy? IF not, CERTAINLY he has the stardom to see, "I am not doing this. Indy wouldn't act this way. Change it."

...but he didn't.

Which leads me to believe, was it supposed to have worked out some OTHER way? Indy thought for sure he was terminal and about to die, and just wanted to witness an historical event first hand as he went?

 

[asalaw]

I think it's obvious Ford loves the Indy character.
As the main/mega star on the film, I wonder if Ford felt this was appropriate for Indy? IF not, CERTAINLY he has the stardom to see, "I am not doing this. Indy wouldn't act this way. Change it."

...but he didn't.

Which leads me to believe, was it supposed to have worked out some OTHER way? Indy thought for sure he was terminal and about to die, and just wanted to witness an historical event first hand as he went?

Different actors approach things differently. Leonard Nimoy was famous for fighting for the integrity of Spock, which, for instance, is why we didn't see him making out with the Roman Commander in The Enterprise Incident--despite Fred Freiberger insisting on it (so the story goes). It may be that Ford is more collaborative in his approach. Personally, I prefer Nimoy's.

 

[Cephus]

I think it's obvious Ford loves the Indy character.
As the main/mega star on the film, I wonder if Ford felt this was appropriate for Indy? IF not, CERTAINLY he has the stardom to see, "I am not doing this. Indy wouldn't act this way. Change it."

...but he didn't.

Which leads me to believe, was it supposed to have worked out some OTHER way? Indy thought for sure he was terminal and about to die, and just wanted to witness an historical event first hand as he went?

I still don't think he views Indy as anything but a role. Certainly, that's how he was with Han Solo. He might love playing Indy, but I don't think he takes any personal ownership of the character. I figure he just does what he's told and might enjoy it in the moment, but I don't think he's ever said "no, Indy wouldn't do that."

Give me someone like Henry Cavill or Jenna Ortega any day.

 

[JediMichael]

I get all these random posts on FB from places I never even signed up to....like this.
Was posted earlier today. I know its a Monday, but still, not looking so good.
Maybe a few more came in after it started....but still....hopefully all these recent movies doing these type numbers with big huge budgets will get Disneys attention a bit better.