TJJohn12
Active Member
I hope a slightly off-topic tangent from the tin soldier search is okay (no worries if mods delete). THIS IS NOT THE FIGURE YOU’RE LOOKING FOR. But this was endearing and made me tear up…
At some point my youth, when I’d outgrown my Star Wars action figures (original Kenner!) and was just adult enough to understand what he was passing along, my dad gave me a bunch of tin soldiers from his youth. I kept these in an acrylic display case for a few years, but eventually packed them away carefully when I moved out, they’ve sat in a box for decades but this thread made me dig them out. Out of about 3 dozen, there’s one lefty:
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The left-handedness of the tin Jedi figures might’ve jumped out at me because Dad was a lefty (not by choice, but polio). And it really only just now occurred to me that he probably gave these to me rather than my older siblings (aged out of peak Star Wars demographic) as a way to say “these were my generation’s Star Wars figures.”
He was also a huge military history buff. Picture like the nerdiest of us here with Star Wars lore, but military history, every little detail of every uniform ever. Feeling a little sad because I know if he were still here I could just ask “Hey Pop, what’s with the lefties?” and he could Epic Rap Battle about it for three hours.
ANYWAY. Sometimes soldiers are just left-handed. It occurred to me there could also be certain ceremonial reasons for it (e.g. Honor Guard rifle positions). Like hey check out the King’s/Queen’s Guard:
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Anyway, if you’re blessed with a History Nerd in your life, they might have a lead on those figures (long-e lead as in direction, not element 82), like some search terms to use. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
So handedness has nothing to do with arms carrying position - they are standardized by manual of arms, which are adopted at the unit or army level depending on era.
For instance, Gilham's manual of arms during the American Civil War era had shoulder arms on the left shoulder similar to how these figures are holding their sabers (support arms in Gilham's was a similar position, but with the left arm across the chest supporting the weapon in the crook of the shoulder). In opposition, Hardee's manual calls for shoulder arms to be held on the right shoulder (support in Hardee's is identical to Gilham's, so you need to transfer sides to move from position to position).
In Gilham's, shoulder is supported from the butt of the weapon; in Hardee's you support around the trigger guard (there's tons of reasons for this evolution, mostly due to weapon design advancement).
No matter if you were right or left handed, you learned one unified drill manual with your unit. EVERYONE fired right handed whether they liked it or not. The weapons issued in the 19th century were standardized.
So, we're looking for a relatively crude molded tin/lead soldier holding their weapon at shoulder arms using a manual where the shoulder position is on the left side of the body. I'd even hazard that we're looking specifically for a toy soldier that supports from the rifle butt ala Gilham's.
And my two history degrees finally come in handy for prop identification! ;-)